(January 3, 2013 at 1:21 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(January 2, 2013 at 5:06 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: I have transcribed this as best I could from the following video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGenk99YDwY
It occurs at the 34 minute mark for those who want to check on my transcription.
In context Tyson had just outlined how common the ingredients for lie are in the universe and how relatively fast in cosmic time live took to start on earth when...
Dawkins says “ I would go further and say that if ever you meet somebody who wishes to claim that he or she believes that life is unique in the universe, then it would follow from that belief, that the origin of life on this planet would have to be a quite stupifyingly rare and improbable event and that would have the rather odd consequence that when chemists try to work out theories and models of the origin of life, what they should be looking for is a stupendeously improbable theory and implausible theory because if there was a plausible theory about the origin of life that wouldn’t be it because life would have to be everywhere."
Dawkin's then I think realises the implication of his statement and immediately tries to say but if we can't find life it doesn't mean its not out there as it is probably to spread out for us to ever find. Surprisingly close to what we as Theists say about God but you won't take from us.
The first thing that popped into my mind was would GOD be in the category of a stupendeously improbable theory?
so until life is found elsewhere?
ps I did find this before on a shorter clip but that seems to have been shortened now to edit out this piece otherwise I would have just posted it.
Stop it, this is the same stupid tactic people use to twist the words of Hawkins and Einstein. It does not work.
It will not make virgin births real or zombie gods real. People don't walk on water and bushes don't talk. No one is going to get 72 virgins. And their is no elephant god named Ganish. There are just people like you who like the idea of a god or gods existing.
Scientifically speaking the individual atoms that make up life when separate as INDIVIDUAL ATOMS are also found in other materials. In a universe of billions of galaxies it should not shock anyone if we find some sort of other living organism that exists because of the same processes we see on earth.
We also see other suns too(those white dots are suns, people stupidly have called them stars, but they are suns). All Dawkins and Tyson are saying is that it should not shock anyone if we did find life possible elsewhere.
Don't conflate or twist their words to prop up your myth. None of us are that stupid.
I'm sorry but they are clearly saying there must be life elsewhere otherwise something stupedeously rare happened on earth and that if that were the case then the origins of life would have to be found in a "stupendeously improbable theory and implausible theory because if there was a plausible theory about the origin of life that wouldn’t be it because life would have to be everywhere." . I don't twist their words I use them exactly as spoken I just say they have other implications apart from what they were intialy used for.
