[split] Gender and Sex discussion.

[Violet]

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Sae,

I swear I would fall our of my chair if I ever were to see you type, "Oh, yeah good point." JUST ONCE! You seem to make noodly, ambiguous point after noodly ambiguous point and change according to who speaks to you last.

For the record I agree with EvF; genetics dictate sex then people can decide whatever they want to be called. I always refer to someone by the gender they say they are regardless of how badly they fit the part. The way you make it sound is just ass backwards. Gender defining features like penises and vaginas are not merely the body trying to balance out some genetic equation.

Rhizo

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You'd seriously fall out of your chair? Haven't you seen me backing up other peoples points all across this forum? Or do you only notice what I say when I disagree with you? I'll give you some more links to back up what I say later then Please read the one's I've already posted (they are interesting Wiki articles, imo... you might as well read them )

Unless the data has radically changed in the last year or so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tra...ted_topics should be a list of what is backing me up I've also read several fairly recent Discover magazine articles about the brain (Including one about how it is the most important sex organ). As it is responsible for everything you feel during sex... I can hardly see how that would be controversial Anyway, I maintain that one's sex is apparent not in what they look like (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orie...rientation and in general http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype )
But as a part of what they feel like doing (Mounting vs being mounted sort of thing, somewhat controversial, but generally true), and the way they do it (among other things related to gender identity).

So I have a (imo) great deal of evidence that sex is less on what you physically have, and much more on what you mentally have. It would take a great deal of counter-proof to change my mind on that (and many of the primary counter-proofs have been refuted already, as can be seen in the somewhat famous case of John/Joan (See "as nature made him" [a book]) made by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money (refuted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Diamond ).

Anyway... lots of interesting data for you to peruse if you want

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Lol what the fuck, I love the random example of a misunderstanding!

Well you seem to equate gender to mean="gender identity", whereas I thought only gender identity=gender identity - and I thought that simply "Gender"=another technical term for "Sex", a synonym for it, which cannot be confused with the other meaning(s) of sex (intercourse, etc.).

EvF

Well, gender is typically a word used to describe the cultural, social, and mental aspects of sex Sex is usually in reference to biology (Although many just take it as a shortcut for saying sexual intercourse, like you say ) For the record, I think you are using it as a plain out synonym... but I think that gender very specifically describes the most important aspects behind one's sex (Much like you think faith describes a specific level of such )