The Case for Theism

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The three facts I've stated thus far
1. The existence of the universe
2. The existence of life
3. The existence of sentient life

These facts are not what one would predict if atheism is true. No one would say I believe a Creator of the universe doesn't exist, therefore I predict the existence of a universe

Objection, you cant predict the existance of a universe when you have existed in the universe all your life. I don't think you know what "predict" means.

the existence of life and the existence of sentient life.

See above objection.

Those are facts atheism has to explain away or offer counter theories of how such came about in support of their belief God doesn't exist.

Atheism has no such burdon. If someone does not believe in god they don't believe in god. They may have counter arguments but it is not needed. Conversely many theists probably most, believe without knowing any of the arguments for god in any detail, they have been brought up that way and just believe.

Counter theories don't cut the mustard. The only theory allowed in a court of law is the one theory the case is about. I can't offer unproven theories in favor of my theory. If I were to go to a judge and say your Honor I plan to introduce a theory in favor of my theory there is no God it would be inadmissible. Now in closing arguments if you think the existence of life, or the existence of the universe or sentient life somehow supports your belief there is no God have at it. Or by all means submit counter facts that you think support your case, that would be extremely refreshing.

There are a wealth of theories about how the universe could have started and the theory of abiogenesis is coming along nicely and evolution is as much a proven fact as gravity.

But even without all any of these I would not believe because the idea of god is silly.

It explains nothing.

If god existed outside of the universe what did it exist in?
If god existed without time how can that be?
To exist something must have physical dimensions and duration.
And its not just some force that existed in your eyes its an intelligent all powerful meddling impossible magic man Who sent himself to sacrifice himself to himself to appease himself for a crime in the dim and distant past of eating a fruit!

This only serves to illustrate a point I have made. Atheists typically claim they are led by facts to the conclusion there is no God.

And the lack of facts for a god lets not forget that.

Its not true, they are led by theories that comport with their beliefs and they're willing to offer theories in defense of their belief even if in fact they don't actually believe the theory they are offering is true!

We can express hypotheticals, and why not. Why for example don't you believe the universe was sneezed out by the great green baggle monster, it makes just as much sense as your position and where's your evidence against it? I bet I could make up a position which is just as strong as any that you think supports any claim you make.

I don't believe in the baggle monster but does that make my point irrelevant.

No it does not.

It would appear atheists believe God doesn't exist based on the fact its possible God doesn't exist. In other words its a faith proposition. But prove me wrong offer facts!

I have never believed in god and have never seen anything that would make me start.

Since I am claiming God created the universe, life and sentient life it's obvious those facts are relevant to the case.

But god is not only NOT the only explanation, it isn't even a good one.
You are trying a god of the gaps fallacy, trying to insert it into places where there aren't that many gaps.