(May 22, 2013 at 2:24 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:Name calling? It's an accurate description.(May 21, 2013 at 5:37 pm)Sal Wrote: Wow, you really are an apologetic disgusting asshole, aren'tcha?
No need for name calling sir.
(May 22, 2013 at 2:24 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:You're evil for thinking that. Tell me, how long should Stalin be punished for his crime in this imaginary Hell of yours? 100 years? 1,000? Maybe we should keep score for how long each life, so each life killed becomes "adequate" to punishment received. But wait, even after, says 20 million lives times whatever amount of years per life murdered, he's gonna continue his immortal existence in Hell. That's me some "justice" right there.Quote: And you're gonna pretend that, by implication, that after people die they're gonna receive justice? No, by then it's over and done with and whatever actions they did will echo through the lives they affected.
No pretending required, Joseph Stalin is receiving justice as we speak for murdering 50 million of his fellow countryman. If God didn’t exist then he got off Scot free and died one of the most powerful men in the World. I take comfort in knowing justice was served.
(May 22, 2013 at 2:24 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:That's because you're dodging the issue.Quote: This is a far cry from justice, because it's your fucking Abrahamic religion that protects them in the first place. Ya dig?
No, I don’t “dig”, that doesn’t make a wink of sense.
(May 22, 2013 at 2:24 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:Says you.(May 21, 2013 at 7:50 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Don't fret, Sal. Just remember that every time you hear something like "from an atheistic perspective you cannot even defend the claim that these child molesters did anything morally wrong" what they're really saying is "if it wasn't for my belief that god was watching over my shoulder, I would be out molesting children right now."
You’re usually a bit more eloquent than this FNM. No, it God didn’t exist neither of us would be here right now.
(May 22, 2013 at 2:24 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:Well that point went straight over your head.(May 22, 2013 at 8:49 am)Rhythm Wrote: So I guess I'm defective then. I never feel the urge to fuck a toddler, despite god designing me to do so. Maybe I shouldn't criticize your gods mistakes and cock-ups so much - at least that gives it the opportunity to get something right by accident - since it's clearly incapable of getting anything right on purpose.
No, God’s upholding grace prevents all of us from being as evil as we could be, we do not deserve any credit for not committing such evil acts. How are you defining “right” here?
(May 22, 2013 at 2:24 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:It's morally wrong because they don't consent to being molested, hence the word "molestation".(May 22, 2013 at 8:53 am)Faith No More Wrote: I just get frustrated hearing all of this "as an atheist you can't prove something is immoral" crap, as if it is impossible to determine what you should and sh
There’s no need to get frustrated, if you believe my statement is wrong then just prove it. Provide a logically sound syllogism that proves child molestation would be wrong independent of time and place in a Universe devoid of God’s existence. If it’s sound I’ll admit I was wrong.
(May 22, 2013 at 6:38 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:Nice try again; he was postulating something a theist would say, but I reckon you wouldn't want to lie now? I expect nothing less from such an evil douchebag like yourself.(May 22, 2013 at 2:29 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Nice try, but you're the one that put forth the positive claim. You must show that without god it is impossible to prove it wrong, otherwise we can all just assume you are wrong.
“Atheists cannot postulate a definition of morality that defines child molestation as morally wrong regardless of time and position.” Is a negative claim my friend; ball is in your court.
(May 22, 2013 at 6:38 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:Which is why you're evil. And I won't flinch in calling you evil.(May 22, 2013 at 2:50 pm)Tonus Wrote: I would consider it a small comfort if he was enduring punishment for his crimes, since I would rather that he had not been allowed to carry out such acts in the first place. Leaving us to our own devices, only to reward or punish us after the end, strikes me as unsatisfying.
You do not find satisfaction in eternal glory for the righteous and eternal punishment for the wicked? I sure do.
Actually, never deconvert - because the only reason you're not out murdering, raping and pillaging, I reckon, is because you fear your imaginary Hell and not because you think it's wrong to do so, but because God tells you not to - not that you'd even be able to realize this Euthyphro dilemma.
So, stay deluded.
(May 22, 2013 at 6:38 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:Pure speculation, with only religious masturbation to back it up.Quote: When I think of the ones whose time on Earth was cut short quickly and brutally, I wonder if their time here had any value? At the least, those who are granted the gift of a heavenly afterlife may not have gotten any chance at enjoying their time in the flesh. Do you feel that hey get another shot at it somehow, or was that short and bitter existence all they were granted, and they are probably better off just forgetting it as they delight in their heavenly reward? It seems pointless to me to have that happen to them.
Life on the New Earth will be so wonderful no one will wish they were given more time on the Old Corrupt Earth. It’s an intriguing subject though.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman