Attn: Christians, We've Heard Them Already

[Drich]

Open letter to any new Christians starting threads in this forum:

Please do not present any of the following arguments and think you're offering us anything new or even anything that atheists haven't heard and debunked a million times already. Many of us are ex-Christians and even those who aren't are still savvy enough that we've heard all the endlessly recycled, canned apologetic arguments. If you do offer these arguments, do not expect anything more than irritated GTFO or STFU retorts. Hearing the same tired arguments over and over gets old.

Rule of Thumb: If WL Craig, Strobel, McDowell, Habermas, Comfort or Answers in Genesis have used the argument you're about to post, we've heard it already.

Among the specific arguments we've already heard include but are not limited .

Never heard of those guys.

• "Without (my) God, there can be no morals"[/quote]
  Without God there is only morality/self righteousness
  
  
  
• "The universe can't come from nothing"[/quote]
  This is the case in either argument.
  
  
• "What about Josephus and Tacitus? They mentioned Jesus."[/quote]
  So, do the thousands of books letters and manuscripts in the libraries of the Vatican.
  
  
• "Why would the disciples have died for a lie?"[/quote]
  The more important question is why would they die for the truth?
  
  
• "The Gospels are reliable historical documents, written by eye-witness accounts."[/quote]
  I've never heard this arguement.
  
  
• The Ontological Argument[/quote]
  Or this one.
  
  
• The Teleological Argument[/quote]
  Or this one
  
  
• The Transcendental Argument[/quote] or this one.
  
  
• The Moral Argument[/quote] or this one.
  
  
• Pascal's Wager[/quote] is this the one where he promises to sacerfice what ever comes through the door way next, thinking it was a goat, but it was his daughter? Oh, wait that was jepathah's wager. ;D
  
  
• The Presuppositionalist Argument[/quote]i would google these but, there is no need, as I have never used these arguement knowingly, which is what your asking for anyway. If I read up on them then maybe I might be inclined to use them.
  
  
  
• "Where do you get your sense of meaning without God?"[/quote] without God there is only self.
  
  
• "Hitler was an atheist!"
  
• "Stalin was an atheist!"
  

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Hitler and Stalin were what they needed to be when they needed to be it in order to rise to power so they could ultimately rule according to how they saw fit.