Determinism Is Self Defeating

[pocaracas]

I have always considered determinism to be completely irrational for the following reason:

If a determinist is trying to convince me to change my mind and accept determinism, then he or she is accepting that I have free will and can choose between accepting the two theories.

It's like someone talking to you, saying "you can't hear anything" - well if I can't hear then why are you talking to me? Doesn't that make you completely irrational?

It's as simple as that, to win a debate with a determinist you just need to let the determinist talk.

The only reason why I think determinists have this position is not because of logical effort, (A child can tell you that an animal is different from a rock.) But it's more than likely that determinismt believes this to avoid responsibility for their actions, and let's face it, that's very attractive to some people.

My 2 cents.

The human brain works in a very complex way. Thus far, we can't recreate the complexity of the brain with computers, unless in some very basic and highly dumbed down way.

The brain works with inputs from the outside and all it's inner connections to produce a deterministic outcome. The thing is... there are millions and millions of neural pathways, neural connections, each dealing with some form of information in a way we can't yet decipher. And this neural connectivity is ever changing, either through outside input, or through its own workings (thinking).
In the end, it looks like there's free will, and no determinism... but down deep, it's very deterministic, but also very complex, if not chaotic. And it's this chaotic nature which gives it the impression of non-determinism.

Oh, and I seriously doubt that our brain work with standard binary computer logic.... I'd guess it has a number of "maybe" states for each decision and picks the one with the highest maybe level... it is, after all, a gray area...