(July 1, 2013 at 9:49 pm)Rhythm Wrote: And? In evidence =/= proven, or provable. We could be wrong about our deterministic universe...we simply have no reason to assume that we are, and every reason to assume that we aren't.
It's goofy to treat an unproven and unprovable philosophical position as a default, and treat other phiosophical positions as new assertions bearing the BOP.
To have ANY evidence for determinism, you have to show that for a given time, t, nothing in the universe could have transpired other than it actually has. Given the probabilistic nature of QM (for example), I don't see how anyone can take this position, even a science-minded person.
You want evidence of free will? Get up in the morning and decide what you're going to have for breakfast. This is free will. Now, you will have to argue that the human experience is illusory, a byproduct of material process and nothing more.
I've seen this argument made, but it begs the question, as it is ALWAYS assumed true before the arguments even begin. The argument represents a world view, rather than a deducible conclusion.