RE: Determinism Is Self Defeating
July 4, 2013 at 12:02 pm
(This post was last modified: July 4, 2013 at 12:03 pm by paulpablo.)
(July 4, 2013 at 9:32 am)Koolay Wrote:(July 4, 2013 at 2:53 am)genkaus Wrote: I've heard some good arguments against determinism - but this is not one of them. If I was a determinist, my view would be that you believe in free-will because you've been taught to do so or because you've accepted some incorrect premises that logically led you to conclude free-will or that you are made certain errors in logic that led you to incorrectly conclude free-will.
Alright, then you can tell me the logical error I have made.
(July 4, 2013 at 2:53 am)genkaus Wrote: My arguments, then, aim to provide the suitable corrective influence that would eventually and inevitably lead you to the correct conclusion of determinism.
Okay?
I think the flaw in your logic is that you're getting mixed up between a belief in everything that has happened was predetermined to happen, and a belief that certain things are predetermined to happen. For example you believing in determinism.
a belief in determinism doesn't mean that they think you are never going to believe in determinism because you don't right now at this present time, so it is illogical to ask why would someone who believes in determinism try to convince me of it if it has already been predetermined that I won't believe in it, because you still might change your mind, the mind of the person who believes in determinism isn't aware of what will or won't be determined neither is yours.
Although I just want to add I don't definitely believe in determinism, I think people who think about this type of stuff too deeply have just got too much time on their hands.
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