(June 27, 2013 at 5:53 pm)Godschild Wrote:
Texas Wrote:I don't think anyone is attempting to "disprove" what Christians believe.
Do you read the other posts?
Texas Wrote:I don't know that such a thing is possible. Christian beliefs don't seem vulnerable to being empirically disproved, nor do they have any potential of being confirmed by any human faculty.
You're correct, the spiritual can not be disproved by the physical, I've never worried about such a thing, and I do not try to prove God in any direct way. If one wants to confirm the spiritual they'll have to rely on the spiritual, I've never proposed any other way.
Texas Wrote:Since this appears to be the situation that Christianity finds itself in, it is inevitable to expect others to simpy point out the absurdities that accompany such beliefs.
What absurdities, the things you deem that way, why should your opinion dictate what is absurd in scriptures, does my opinion hold less value than your's?
Texas Wrote:If I worshiped the Sun, you couldn't prove the claims I make about it wrong, but you would probably find it quite easy to throw out little quips that would draw attention to what you think to be foolish. You can believe whatever you want! I also don't know if asking people to refer to your bible for valid objections is at all a reasonable request. Anymore than I could expect you to refer to my magic sunglasses that allow me to see the Sun's omnipotent state.
Well I do think that science would say the sun would not be omnipotent, seeing how it is in a stationary position and can't effect most of the universe. Science has determined it has a limited life.
Texas Wrote:From a naturalistic standpoint, it seems quite ridiculous to me that you think the bible to be on equal footing with empirical claims of the observable. The observable and confirmable are there to be seen and do not make pretend to be answers for anything that cannot be confirmed.
I do not believe the Bible to be on equal footing with empirical claims of the observable, the Bible is far superior to anything else, it leads to life eternal and no empirical claim of the observable does that.
The Bible is serious about the observable and spiritual, to pretend with God is risky business.
Texas Wrote:You believe God to be the answer for the things that science has not yet proved. Why exactly should anyone who rejects your theories to fill gaps of ignorance with God be expected to do anything at all to help you prove what you have not been able to prove with your own claims?
I do not expect God to give me, you or anyone else answers to the unknown sciences. I'm interested in His revelation of Himself to me in our relationship. Then I can share my knowledge of Him with others.
I do not expect anyone to help me prove God and why would I, I already know He is real. I can't prove Him to you or anyone else, I do not try to explain science through God.
Texas Wrote:That seems quite unreasonable. We reject your Bible as a circular support for your God. If you think that there is merit to your God or your Bible you must establish truth in one or the other before you can expect anyone else to acknowledge them as credible sources of truth.
The scriptures never try and prove God, so how can you say you can see that the Bible tries to. Just because you reject the Bible that's suppose to make it false, a bit uppity on your part wouldn't you say.
Try this for truth God promised to restore the nation of Israel where it once stood when Rome destroyed it. The nation of Israel is the only nation restored to it's original place after 2000 yrs. no other nation has come back after that amount of time, this is Biblical prophecy. Just a bit of truth from scripture.
Texas Wrote:My question to you is quite simple:
How do you know that anything the bible says about things not yet proved by science, are true?
I'm asking you a direct question. Before you can expect me to open your book and even read a sentence of it, you will need to provide a good answer to this question with a solid logical foundation.
Who are you to demand an answer from me, frankly I couldn't care less if you never responded to any of my post, your uppityness is showing up again.
Here's your answer do with it as you wish. I do not use the Bible for science, I use what I consider viable science and evolution is not it, there are scientist who do not believe in a God who do not believe evolution is the answer, very respected scientist at that. The Bible is a spiritual book about life with God and since there is no other about the God of Christians it's the only book you can use in an argument. I do not use the Bible in scientific argument, I do state I'm a creationist.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.