(July 11, 2013 at 7:51 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Ummm, no I don't.
The simple fact that emergent systems are unpredictable implies a non-deterministic universe.
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My turn? Well, I'll have to replay a hand that I've already played. You're confusing determinism with predictability.
In all likelihood, in order to predict everything in the universe, you'd need a computer the size of the universe... which would itself have to be included in the predictability calculations. Being able to predict something is not a primary concern of the truth of determinism.
Let's imagine that we have 2 neighbouring rooms. In each is a table. On each table there is a Newton's Cradle. They are both set in motion and the doors of the rooms are closed. In one room there is also a cat.
You seem to imagine that determinism can only happen in the room with the cat, because it is sentient and (after observing what is happening) it can predict that each end ball will raise when it's opposite number lands.
Both rooms experience determinism. Prediction not required.
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