(July 11, 2013 at 9:11 am)Red Celt Wrote:So you can accurately predict every twist and tumble of that rock as it careens down the hill. And the exact point it will come to rest as well as its orientation?(July 11, 2013 at 9:06 am)Zen Badger Wrote: While you can predict that the rock will ultimately roll to the bottom of the hill, you cannot predict the precise path that it will take.
Then we look at the emergent system represented by a conscious being capable of making random choices.
Good luck with predicting that.
Therefore it is impossible to prove that the universe is deterministic.
If, on the other hand, you can provide such a proof......
That path of the rock can be predicted.
Quote:And. Again. Can you provide proof that the universe is not deterministic.
All I'm seeing is "Argh! Very complicated, ergo God", when it should be "Argh! Very complicated, ergo more computational power and knowledge required".
No, not "god", just your inability to prove that the universe is deterministic.
As I said emergent systems imply a random universe.
If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71.