(July 11, 2013 at 3:24 pm)ronedee Wrote:(July 11, 2013 at 3:20 pm)Stimbo Wrote: It's actually worse than that, FNM. since sin is "An immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law", ronedee now has to establish what precisely constitutes an immoral act, what divine law is and how one transgresses it. It's a vital part of his stance because he's postulated that "maybe God Himself paid the price for sin" and yet we're no further forward.
Yes we are! We are not condemned to death as He stated in the beginning! If we believe, and move from sin it has NO POWER over us anymore!
HE TOOK IT AWAY!
Except original sin.
Quote:He also died. He shared in our Humanity, as we will share in His Divinity!
But he apparently became a Zombie anyway, so what's the point?
Quote:It makes perfect sense to those with understanding! And not a bit to those w/o!
Special logic requires special understanding. I don't subscribe to the special logic of a Church because I only care about what's real. When I use real understanding, I understand that the entire account is simply laughable, unverifiable, and downright pitiful.
Quote:So...why am I even trying here?!
You're trying? You haven't given us ANY evidence for any of your claims. People in your situation don't realize they need to do just that, so we understand if you aren't used to the concept. But, please, when we ask for evidence, just know that we're asking sincerely, and we're not out to entrap you in your words. When we think things through with you, you'll understand better just how we use reason and logic to successfully navigate murky waters.
