(July 14, 2013 at 9:17 am)Rhythm Wrote: In the deterministic model this would be patently untrue. Your actions (however they arise) most definitely do have an effect on the universe - and there is no fate. Fate is not deterministic, it's non deterministic. In "fate" no matter what occurs from "now" till "then", an specific event is going to occur "then". Determinism holds that the "now's" add up and determine the "thens", that there are no events that occur regardless of all the "nows" till "then"..
To give you an example how how the idea of fate looks to "the determinist" lol...... A "fated" life holds that you will die in a submarine. Despite never going near the water, or even so much as touching a sub - a fated person in a fated universe will die in a submarine.
The word "fate" just means that something is pre-determined. So these are interchangeable terms. And determinism is the foundation of science. Deny determinism, you deny science.
On a side note, your analogy, A "fated" life holds that you will die in a submarine, doesn't hold water... sorry, couldn't help with the pun...you can only determine an event if you know all the causes. It just happens that we simple mortals don't know all the causes that go into determining certain events.
