RE: From atheism to Christianity? How so?
December 27, 2013 at 12:45 am
(This post was last modified: December 27, 2013 at 12:52 am by Ksa.)
(December 26, 2013 at 4:04 pm)agapelove Wrote: Philippians 2:5-8 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
When the eternal Son of God became a man, He emptied Himself of all of His divine privileges and lived exactly as a man would live. His entire ministry was not done through His own power, but through the power of the Holy Spirit:
Acts 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.
So that is why you see Jesus making statements like this:
John 14:10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.
While Jesus never ceased being God, He put that aside to live as a man before God the Father, who was now His God as well as His Father. His relationship with God the Father had changed because He had now permanently incorporated the human nature into His being and was now permanently subordinated to God the Father. He voluntarily, eternally, took a lower position for our sake, although that doesn't mean He is any less God. It just means that in the Kingdom of God there is a heirarchy in the Trinity:
1 Corinthians 15:28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.
I hope that helps!
Ok I think you refer to this passage. Brother quoted important verses among which is a very important verse, John 14:10, that kind of rhymes with John 10:30, the context is relatively the same.
The Jews were...a difficult people to lead as a prophet. Comments like "just show us the father and that will suffice" or "give us a miracle" showed how little the Jews understood of what Jesus was preaching. A 5 year old nowadays could ask better questions. Jesus was...exasperated. No matter how he would twist his sentences, the Jews would not understand what his mission was: To deliver a message.
Jesus' words were too heavy for them so Phillip told Jesus like an idiot: Just show us the FAAATHER and that will suffice, and Jesus told him you're an IDIOT! How long have we known each-other...I wasted my saliva with you so much and you STILL don't understand my mission here?
Put yourself in Jesus' shoes. The Jews could not understand. He used simpler language and STILL they could not understand. So, he invented those sentences...suited for mental retards such as "if you've seen me, you've seen the FAATHER." or "I and my father are one" (here he means one in purpose) so that even an autistic person with self injurious urges would follow him and believe his word to be the word of God.
What you do is, with your high IQ, outstanding education and 2013 wakefulness, you take those sentences like John 14:10 or John 10:30 ad literam. Those sentences are not suited for you, they are suited for the mental retards of 2,000 years ago who were too dumb to understand him! If Jesus spoke to YOU instead in John 14:10, he would say: "I'm here to apply the standard procedure set in place by my father, including Moses' commandments along with a few upgrades that I'm willing to go into more detail at a later time". That's what John 14:10 would sound like. But the Jews were so idiotic that Jesus had to bend the language in so many ways, that, if taken out of context...ok...it cannot be taken out of context, period.
It was addressed to his disciples, not to you. Not to the reader of the Bible. Imagine I tell my mother "turn off the cooler please." and someone writes down what I told my mother and goes to my workplace in a nuclear station and says "Ksa said to turn off the cooler", so they disable the cooling system and the reactor explodes.
Those words of Jesus were not addressed to a guy in 2013 with a high IQ, they were addressed to an IDIOT from 2,000 years ago who couldn't understand what Jesus was saying.