(January 3, 2014 at 2:30 am)agapelove Wrote: I have only seen two which predate the Old Testament and the best connection you could make to the golden rule is superficial at best. The translation is also disputed in the case of the eloquent peasant. I don't see how they prove the case.
I could say the same thing about the divine providence of the old testament.
Quote:There has been trade between China and the Middle East well before Confucius. Some estimates put contact between Egypt and China at 1070 BC
Yes, but the first record we have of christianity in China is from the eighth century, and I'm not going to charitably accept assumptions that you only have because they prove your point.
Quote:Are you claiming that Jesus is a myth? The connections are superficial; Jesus came to Earth as a man and lived as a man, not as a God. He wasn't killed incidently and then brought back to life: his entire mission was to die for the sins of the world. Dionysus was the greek god of wine; is it surprising wine is symbolic in his story? Wine was also symbolic in the Old Testament and some of it had messianic undertones.
I'm claiming that the Jesus story, the miracle claims, were embellishments made to the life of an itinerant Jewish rabbi. Yes, the connections are superficial; such things are. It's just another evolution of an old story, nothing more. To be clear, your only proof of its authenticity is that it's so wonderfully unique as to be divinely inspired, and when you're shown other places where similar themes and teachings pop up, your only response is that these are superficial. Well, yes... they're similarities, not literally the same story. It doesn't need to be identical to prove the only claim you've made wrong.
Quote:What I said was, trying to test for Gods existence by monitoring answered prayers will not yield results. God will not allow Himself to be approached except by faith.
Better tell that to all those televangelists and miracle workers who film and screen prayers being "answered," then. I guess they were wrong all along.
Also, what is it that your god has to hide, here? Why's he lying?
Quote:I gave you a theory which was that the prayers themselves were always going to be answered yes or no the way they were, but that God simply brought a combination of people who would yield a nominal result into the study. He did not answer them differently because of the study.
And misrepresenting the facts is still a lie, something god can't do, so one way or another, someone's wrong here.
Quote:I don't think you can prove Gods existence through answered prayer, or any other way. God has to reveal Himself to you individually.
Yes, that's rather the problem; the only evidence you have is the things you feel inside your head. Convincing yourself that something's true does not make it so.
Quote:Well, my experiences of the supernatural are confirmed and corroborated by the vast majority of people on Earth. I believe around 80 something percent of all people believe in God. According to you though that doesn't matter so how do we determine whether our experiences are accurate or not? At some point you're taking a leap of faith in what you believe.
So, this is important: they don't all believe in the same god. See, you can't just conglomerate every deist and theist together when it suits your purposes, because these are not the same experiences. They're different ones, owing to experiences with different gods, not always the one you believe in, and even with regards to the ones that are about the christian god, there's major disagreements as to what he's like. You're just pretending, here; there's no corroboration involved, because the vast majority of those people disagree with the god you're pimping.
Try not to be dishonest, here.
Quote:God is a basic axiom, being a self-evident truth and the only guarantee that reality is actually real.
You can't say god is self evident because if he was you wouldn't have such disagreements over what he's like, and besides, I disagree with your fiat assertion. Now you're just lying, which is absolutely a sin according to your religion.
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