(January 8, 2014 at 9:10 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:(January 8, 2014 at 8:55 pm)Minimalist Wrote: And their evidence is ......................?Of course they're going to study the manuscripts themselves to determine their historicity. Does it work any other way for other ancient sources? I would point you to Erhman but there's plenty of secular scholars out there who find ample reason to believe the texts of Paul are first century. You seem to have a special set of rules for evaluating New Testament authorship and dating and I don't see how you can justify this. More importantly, it's not necessary, it wreaks of bias, and most scholars who have studied these texts will not take you seriously.
Hint: They always end up pointing to the bible itself as evidence of itself.
Roughly in the 150s AD a xtian writer named Justin wrote an apologia to Emperor Antoninus Pius. He never mentions anyone named "Paul." For that matter, he never mentions any gospels by matthew, mark, luke or john.
Think about that. We know the dates of Antoninus Pius' reign. 138 - 161 AD. That's a fairly short window as these things go.
It works like this.
Some bible-thumping shithead says "No reputable scholar doubts the historical jesus."
Some one says "I doubt the historical jesus."
Bible-thumper says "Then you are not a reputable scholar."
The bible cannot be used to prove itself. Period.