RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
February 9, 2014 at 12:46 pm
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2014 at 1:00 pm by Sword of Christ.)
(February 9, 2014 at 12:06 pm)Esquilax Wrote: It must be easier to just keep asserting that than it is to actually demonstrate it, eh?
You can try to demonstrate atheism if you like. You have nothing physically there to demonstrate of course, same applies to God as he isn't physical. So it's a question of belief either way you just have to go with the best arguments and most likely answers to the big questions. God is of course the best one, holds up very well. Though if we knew God existed as a certain fact there would be no need for faith of course.
Quote:Oh? There's no cosmic background radiation, or redshift, or universal expansion or all that other evidence for the big bang?
The Big Bang happened that was the point of creation of our particular level of physical existence, deliberate creation by the almighty Lord in the fully Biblical sense. As good a belief today as it was 3000 years ago, though we now know more about the specifics of the way God set things up.
Quote:Or are you just talking about the non-claim that the big bang doesn't exhibit any sign of having a god behind it?
The Big Bang was more finely arranged to produce a life generating and sustaining universe than a NASA rocket flight to the moon that suggests meticulous planning and design to me. You may as well try to create a Boeing 747 by setting off an explosion in a junkyard.
Quote: Because that's not a claim that requires evidence; it's an admission that beyond the planck time we don't know what happened yet. You are the only one making a claim here.
You're claiming there is no reason to believe that the creation of the universe was a deliberate/purpose intended event and I'm giving the reasoning why I and a few billion others think you're wrong. One kind of claim versus the other, someone will be right and someone will be wrong.
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"Ooh, it's all just opinion!"
You can a reasoned opinion based on facts and evidence, reason and whatever. There's plenty of good reasons to believe in God.
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No, it's actually not. One side has actual evidence
All the scientific evidence we currently have fits into the context of a purpose made universe very well indeed, I don't see any reason why science has to be in conflict with God/faith.
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, and is willing to stop at the edge of our knowledge pending further investigation.
I have no objection to the scientific method that's the way it should be. God is beyond what science can study so it isn't a problem/conflict.
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Yours is claiming that magic was involved despite having no evidence of that at all, and no interest in investigating to find it before making those claims.
If God didn't exist then it would be more magical if anything. Having things that can just appear out of nothing and finely arrange themselves into order and function without a purpose or cause, without a context or reason.
Quote:A god of the gaps argument supported by the classic argument from ignorance.
If you're not using God to explain anything science can potentially explain then there isn't a problem.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.