(February 17, 2014 at 9:42 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: I can understand how someone in your situation would feel in this situation. Here you trying to argue that a belief in God is irrational when it will turn out that you were irrational all along for denying the obvious truth of the reality itself revealed to you in all it's fullness. Something to look forward to there.
No kitten, I am perfectly rational to believe as I do now, when there is no evidence for a god. I may be incorrect, but I'm not irrational. Rational beliefs are held in closest accord with the available evidence, and since you've cheerfully admitted there can be no evidence for your god, the rational position is to not believe in one.
Your mean spirited little predictions as to how I feel might be appealing to you, in your sadistic little "ooh, he'll get his!" manner, but don't try to drag me down with you.
Quote:You would have to accept God fully and be reborn into a new eternal life in God. It's something ideally you would like to do while you're still alive though as you can get the benefits of that right now. This isn't some kind of cold clinical understand but a complete transformation of your being. If you don't do this then you will have an eternal separation from God which is Hell.
It's too bad that god values blind obedience and irrational belief so much, but I'm not going to be cajoled or threatened into selling out my principles, and if your god would send me to hell for using the mind he gave me to evaluate the world he put me in, if being sincerely incorrect is something worthy of punishment to him, then he's got a hell of a lot of explaining to do once I stand before him.
I simply don't understand why it pleases you to characterize your god as being that petty and small minded, though.
Quote:If you have nothing specifically to base what you believe upon then emotion is all you have.
No, if you have no evidence to base one's belief on, then you also have the absence of that evidence. That's sufficient, for now.
Quote: There are plenty of rational things and evidences to base a belief in God/Christianity upon.
So you keep saying, but when prompted to actually present any, you're remarkably quiet. I even challenged you to a formal debate to actually get some straight answers out of you as to what those reasons are without derailing a thread, but you've been silent on that front too.
Quote:Atheism is purely what you want to believe as there is nothing else to base it upon.
Since "nothing" is a good descriptor of the number of reasons to believe in god, I suppose you're correct. You know what it'll take to change my mind, however; why not meet me in a debate thread to seal that deal, if you're so confident?
Quote:It's like you're at a feast, you have the feast of God at the table right in front of you and you aren't eating anything.
No, what I've got is a bunch of people at a seemingly empty table miming eating motions and telling me how delicious all the food is, and then in the next breath telling me how the food can't be detected.
Quote:It doesn't involve the belief in the existence of God or any specifically defined supernatural higher reality beyond the physical universe of whatever form/name from what I understand. You can correct me if I'm wrong about this.
Take out the references to any other supernatural thing; atheism stops at disbelief in a god. You can be atheist and still believe in the supernatural, just not the godly supernatural. Like I've mentioned before, atheism and materialism aren't the same thing.
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