(February 19, 2014 at 4:37 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:(February 19, 2014 at 4:23 pm)rasetsu Wrote: So theists have to prove God with science (which you can't do) and atheists don't have to prove philosophical reductionist materialism with science (you can't do this either) because what you believe is automatically true and therefore doesn't need to be proved because you say it is? That's a great tactic.
Read this very slowly. I'll try to use small words.
Atheism is not "philosophical reductionist materialism."
Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.
I will use very large words here so the point may sink into you.
MATERIALISM IS WHAT YOU ARE WITH LEFT WITH IF GOD OR ANY FORM OF NON-PHYSICAL TRANSCENDENT ULTIMATE REALITY OF ANY FORM DOES NOT EXIST OR IF YOU DENY THE CLAIM THAT THERE IS ANY GOOD REASON TO BELIEVE IN GOD OR EQUIVALENT NON-PHYSICAL ULTIMATE REALITY WHICH IS THE BASIS FOR ALL THAT EXISTS.
Sorry - that is AN opinion - not a direct definition of the word materialism - nor does it have anything to do with atheism
THe fact is - there is NO one who has EVER provided any proof that a god exists - NO ONE INCLUDING YOU
ANd since that IS THE CASE - the reality that we are left with is that EVERYONE - INCLUDING YOU have only reality to deal with - not your IMAGINATION of a god.
NOW - if YOU have absolute proof of the existence of a god - and CAN also prove that it is YOUR god - and that you speak for the intent of that god - by all means Provide the proof - otherwise - YOU are simply making up FAIRY TALES