(March 20, 2014 at 7:02 pm)Aral Gamelon Wrote: So you don't see a problem with mankind being "fallen" but with no true original sin having occurred? Why was Jesus' sacrifice* necessary then?
*In the loosest of definitions, one cannot pay the ultimate price then respawn three days later and it still count.
None at all, no. We are all fallen. It's a presupposition. tor has given an example of another presupposition, equally valid.
Jesus is the 2nd Adam. Jesus gets us back into the garden. From our fallen (this is a given) state, we cannot be forgiven/ accepted without assistance. Jesus provides that.