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"That's not nothing"
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RE: "That's not nothing"
Quote:Vacuums were never considered to not be a thing as far as I know, just simply a truly empty region of space.

I do sympathise with Krauss in many ways. We really are delving into semantics:

From Webster on-line

Full Definition of VACUUM

1
: emptiness of space
2
a : a space absolutely devoid of matter
b : a space partially exhausted (as to the highest degree possible) by artificial means (as an air pump)
c : a degree of rarefaction below atmospheric pressure
3
a : a state or condition resembling a vacuum : void <the power vacuum in Indochina after the departure of the French — Norman Cousins>
b : a state of isolation from outside influences <people who live in a vacuum…so that the world outside them is of no moment — W. S. Maugham>
4
: a device creating or utilizing a partial vacuum; especially : vacuum cleaner
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When I was a kid a vacuum was a space with nothing in it. Look at the terms in the definition void, deviod of...

Things were objects and there were non in there. They could be particles, and sub-particles but no-one ever said they could be fields or energy. This to me is the meaning of no-thing. That it has now changed to include the non physical I can accept but again I don't think Krauss or the other physicists were at fault. I really don't believe they were trying to pull a fast one.

Just to repeat - I think this is all a blind alley anyway. If nothingness cannot exist - which is what the physicists are saying then the universe coming from nothing defaults to the nearest thing to nothing that can exist, or, we come up with a new term.
Kuusi palaa, ja on viimeinen kerta kun annan vaimoni laittaa jouluvalot!
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Messages In This Thread
"That's not nothing" - by Freedom of thought - May 14, 2014 at 10:36 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by Violet - May 14, 2014 at 10:45 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by Marsellus Wallace - May 14, 2014 at 10:54 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by Violet - May 14, 2014 at 10:58 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by Marsellus Wallace - May 14, 2014 at 11:01 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by Violet - May 14, 2014 at 11:06 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 15, 2014 at 5:16 am
RE: "That's not nothing" - by Marsellus Wallace - May 15, 2014 at 11:50 am
RE: "That's not nothing" - by MindForgedManacle - May 14, 2014 at 11:09 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by Marsellus Wallace - May 14, 2014 at 11:16 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by Freedom of thought - May 15, 2014 at 1:31 am
RE: "That's not nothing" - by Mister Agenda - May 15, 2014 at 11:43 am
RE: "That's not nothing" - by pocaracas - May 15, 2014 at 12:07 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by Mister Agenda - May 15, 2014 at 12:23 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by pocaracas - May 15, 2014 at 4:18 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by vorlon13 - May 14, 2014 at 11:22 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by max-greece - May 15, 2014 at 1:11 am
RE: "That's not nothing" - by Freedom of thought - May 15, 2014 at 3:21 am
RE: "That's not nothing" - by Whateverist - May 15, 2014 at 2:00 am
RE: "That's not nothing" - by max-greece - May 15, 2014 at 4:25 am
RE: "That's not nothing" - by StuW - May 15, 2014 at 7:07 am
RE: "That's not nothing" - by Freedom of thought - May 15, 2014 at 7:20 am
RE: "That's not nothing" - by StuW - May 15, 2014 at 7:29 am
RE: "That's not nothing" - by Freedom of thought - May 15, 2014 at 9:24 am
RE: "That's not nothing" - by StuW - May 15, 2014 at 12:53 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by Freedom of thought - May 16, 2014 at 11:43 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by pocaracas - May 15, 2014 at 11:41 am
RE: "That's not nothing" - by MindForgedManacle - May 15, 2014 at 12:20 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by Mister Agenda - May 15, 2014 at 12:34 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by MindForgedManacle - May 15, 2014 at 12:27 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by MindForgedManacle - May 15, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by Mister Agenda - May 16, 2014 at 11:45 am
RE: "That's not nothing" - by max-greece - May 15, 2014 at 1:07 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by MindForgedManacle - May 15, 2014 at 1:16 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by max-greece - May 15, 2014 at 1:28 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by MindForgedManacle - May 15, 2014 at 1:31 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by max-greece - May 15, 2014 at 1:40 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by MindForgedManacle - May 16, 2014 at 1:18 pm
RE: "That's not nothing" - by bennyboy - May 16, 2014 at 7:12 pm

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