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A question about the love of god
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RE: A question about the love of god
What about the demon possessed boy's own free will?? How fair is it for a boy to risk eternal damnation by being unable to rid himself of the demon without jesus' help? Because the demons can evidentially control the victim's mind, a second person, the exorcist, becomes necessary. Why doesn't the devil fill us all with demons? Is there a shortage?
Where can we atheists go to pick out our own demon? Why are the demons as described in the bible extinct today?
Could they not evolve? What powers a demon? Is it powered by the lesser light of the moon, via falso-synthesis?

Have you read the book of demonology written by King James? Yes! That king James!
http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/kjd/

Here's what he had to say on the subject:
Quote:WEL, I haue told you now all my doubts, and ye haue satisfied me therein, concerning the first of these two kindes of spirites that ye haue conjoyned. Now I am to inquire onely two thinges at you concerning the last kinde, I meane the Dæmoniackes. The first is, whereby shal these possessed folks be discerned fra them that ar trubled with a natural Phrensie or Manie. The next is, how can it be that they can be remedied by the Papistes Church, whome wee counting as Hereticques, it should appeare that one Deuil should not cast out an other, for then would his kingdome be diuided in it selfe, as CHRIST said.[1]

EPI. As to your first question; there are diuers symptomes, whereby that heauie trouble may be discerned from a naturall sickenesse, and speciallie three, omitting the diuers vaine signes that the Papistes attributes vnto it: Such as the raging at holie water, their fleeing a back from the Croce, their not abiding the hearing of God named, and innumerable such like vaine thinges that were alike fashious and feckles to recite. But to come to these three symptomes then, whereof I spake, I account the one of them to be the incredible strength of the possessed creature, which will farre exceede the strength of six of the wightest and wodest of any other men that are not so troubled. The next is the

[1. Mat. 12 Mark. 3]

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boldning vp so far of the patients breast and bellie, with such an vnnaturall sturring and vehement agitation within them: And such an ironie hardnes of his sinnowes so stiffelie bended out, that it were not possible to prick out as it were the skinne of anie other person so far: so mightely works the Deuil in all the members and senses of his body, he being locallie within the same, suppose of his Soule and affectiones thereof, hee haue no more power then of any other mans. The last is, the speaking of sundrie languages, which the patient is knowen by them that were acquainte with him neuer to haue learned, and that with an vncouth and hollowe voice, and al the time of his speaking, a greater motion being in his breast then in his mouth. But fra this last symptome is excepted such, as are altogether in the time of their possessing bereft of al their senses being possessed with a dumme and blynde spirite, whereof Christ releiued one, in the 12. Of Mathew. And as to your next demande, it is first to be doubted if the Papistes or anie not professing the the onelie true Religion, can relieue anie of that trouble. And next, in-case they can, vpon what respectes it is possible vnto them. As to the former vpon two reasons, it is grounded: first that it is knowen so manie of them to bee counterfite, which wyle the Clergie inuentes for confirming of their rotten Religion. The next is, that by experience we finde that few, who are possessed indeede, are fullie cured by them: but rather the Deuill is content to release the bodelie hurting of them, for a

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shorte space, thereby to obteine the perpetual hurt of the soules of so many that by these false miracles may be induced or confirmed in the profession of that erroneous Religion: euen as I told you before that he doth in the false cures, or casting off of diseases by Witches. As to the other part of the argument in-case they can, which rather (with reuerence of the learned thinking otherwaies) I am induced to beleeue, by reason of the faithfull report that men sound of religion, haue made according to their sight thereof, I think if so be, I say these may be the respectes, whereupon the Papistes may haue that power. CHRIST gaue a commission and power to his Apostles to cast out Deuilles, which they according thereunto put in execution: The rules he had them obserue in that action, was fasting and praier: & the action it selfe to be done in his name. This power of theirs proceeded not then of anie vertue in them, but onely in him who directed them. As was clearly proued by Iudas his hauing as greate power in that commission, as anie of the reste. It is easie then to be vnderstand that the casting out of Deuilles, is by the vertue of fasting and prayer, and in-calling of the name of God, suppose manie imperfectiones be in the person that is the instrumente, as CHRIST him selfe teacheth vs of the power that false Prophets sall haue to caste out Devils.[1] It is no wounder then, these respects of this action being considered, that it may be possible to the Papistes, though erring in sundrie points of Religion to accomplish this, if they vse the right

All of this from the guy whose name is proudly on your bible's cover..
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A question about the love of god - by Lemonvariable72 - August 2, 2014 at 11:46 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by vorlon13 - August 2, 2014 at 12:59 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by archangle - August 2, 2014 at 1:04 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Lemonvariable72 - August 2, 2014 at 1:16 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Ravenshire - August 2, 2014 at 11:16 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Drich - August 2, 2014 at 11:02 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Jenny A - August 2, 2014 at 11:07 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Lemonvariable72 - August 3, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 3, 2014 at 1:45 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by Drich - August 4, 2014 at 12:48 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by Lemonvariable72 - August 5, 2014 at 7:23 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by Drich - August 5, 2014 at 1:56 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Ravenshire - August 5, 2014 at 7:37 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by FlowingFlame - August 12, 2014 at 8:49 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by John V - August 5, 2014 at 2:08 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Cato - August 5, 2014 at 2:28 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by John V - August 5, 2014 at 2:55 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Cato - August 5, 2014 at 3:33 pm
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RE: A question about the love of god - by John V - August 5, 2014 at 3:43 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by FifthElement - August 5, 2014 at 4:32 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Brakeman - August 5, 2014 at 7:40 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Cato - August 5, 2014 at 7:51 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by John V - August 6, 2014 at 7:52 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by Cato - August 6, 2014 at 12:42 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Lemonvariable72 - August 5, 2014 at 8:24 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Welsh cake - August 5, 2014 at 3:54 pm
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RE: A question about the love of god - by Jenny A - August 5, 2014 at 10:56 pm
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RE: A question about the love of god - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2014 at 11:59 am
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RE: A question about the love of god - by John V - August 6, 2014 at 12:50 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Cato - August 6, 2014 at 2:07 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by John V - August 7, 2014 at 8:07 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by Cato - August 7, 2014 at 8:42 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by John V - August 7, 2014 at 10:49 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2014 at 12:45 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by John V - August 6, 2014 at 1:06 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by John V - August 6, 2014 at 1:19 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Tonus - August 6, 2014 at 1:29 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Tonus - August 6, 2014 at 1:34 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Welsh cake - August 6, 2014 at 2:36 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Thumpalumpacus - August 6, 2014 at 3:52 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by The Grand Nudger - August 7, 2014 at 10:37 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by The Grand Nudger - August 7, 2014 at 10:52 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by Brakeman - August 7, 2014 at 8:50 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by John V - August 8, 2014 at 7:13 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by Brakeman - August 11, 2014 at 12:37 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by The Grand Nudger - August 8, 2014 at 12:03 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by John V - August 10, 2014 at 7:11 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by Jenny A - August 11, 2014 at 9:29 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by John V - August 11, 2014 at 11:02 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by Brakeman - August 11, 2014 at 12:22 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by John V - August 11, 2014 at 1:37 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Brakeman - August 11, 2014 at 6:42 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by John V - August 12, 2014 at 8:12 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by Brakeman - August 12, 2014 at 12:34 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Zack - August 10, 2014 at 8:27 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by rexbeccarox - August 10, 2014 at 8:51 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by Tonus - August 11, 2014 at 9:10 am
RE: A question about the love of god - by The Grand Nudger - August 11, 2014 at 11:01 am
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RE: A question about the love of god - by The Grand Nudger - August 11, 2014 at 12:27 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by John V - August 12, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by Brakeman - August 12, 2014 at 11:00 pm
RE: A question about the love of god - by John V - August 13, 2014 at 7:44 am
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