(August 18, 2014 at 7:25 am)John S Wrote: This isn't the point of this thread but let me just say that the "being saved" doctrine is false. NO human being is "saved" until they die and then GOD decides whether they go to Heaven or not.And you... don't find that terrifying?
As for the OP: I have no interest in "saving" theists. I am more than happy to live and let live, so long as they do the same. Most people that I've encountered certainly seem to leave their religion at home, with only a relative few wearing it on their sleeves. And the latter group tend to annoy everyone, theist or otherwise. But even them I can simply avoid or minimize contact with. It's the ones who want to legislate away the rights and freedoms of everyone else that concern me. I don't want to save them, I just want them to stop trying to "save" everyone else.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould
