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Why Would God Hide?
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
(September 8, 2014 at 3:38 pm)Michael Wrote: Well, Bayesian thought is not dependent on what position is being held, or who holds it, or whether the prior presupposition is towards belief in or non-belief in a proposition. So it would say, in simple terms, a gnostic atheist will require stronger evidence of there being a god than an agnostic atheist. It's quite common sense really, but it acknowledges that different people might have different prior positions (rather than trying to decide on one assumed starting point for everyone, which I don't think works very well). This framework seems very akin to real life to me; it describes what I think I see in discussions between theists and atheists.

Anyway, I'd just thought I'd throw that in. It may ring true to some, and not to others. Bayes would predict that those who start from a position quite different to his are most likely to reject it, or at least require much more convincing before they let go of their prior position.

I think that the claims of God being real, for someone who is looking at it from a neutral perspective (which I think people should) or an atheistic perspective, require a lot of evidence. After all, it violates the laws of physics, adds a layer of complexity on top of natural explanations that Occam's razor would slice right away if no evidence is there to back it up...you see what I mean?
Luke: You don't believe in the Force, do you?

Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
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Why Would God Hide? - by StealthySkeptic - September 6, 2014 at 1:17 am
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by psychoslice - September 6, 2014 at 1:29 am
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Minimalist - September 6, 2014 at 1:35 am
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by StealthySkeptic - September 6, 2014 at 1:39 am
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Minimalist - September 6, 2014 at 1:51 am
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by StealthySkeptic - September 6, 2014 at 2:06 am
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Minimalist - September 6, 2014 at 2:42 am
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by StealthySkeptic - September 6, 2014 at 2:55 am
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 6, 2014 at 7:21 am
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by StealthySkeptic - September 6, 2014 at 5:27 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Thumpalumpacus - September 6, 2014 at 7:45 am
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Gawdzilla - November 11, 2014 at 8:47 am
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Vicki Q - September 7, 2014 at 12:43 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Thumpalumpacus - September 7, 2014 at 7:32 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Vicki Q - September 8, 2014 at 5:24 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Tonus - September 8, 2014 at 2:16 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Chad32 - September 7, 2014 at 12:50 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Cyberman - September 8, 2014 at 1:21 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Chad32 - September 8, 2014 at 1:28 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Whateverist - September 7, 2014 at 12:51 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by vorlon13 - September 7, 2014 at 1:12 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by ShaMan - September 7, 2014 at 1:18 pm
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by professor - September 7, 2014 at 9:46 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Thumpalumpacus - September 8, 2014 at 8:25 am
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Esquilax - September 8, 2014 at 10:12 am
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Jenny A - September 13, 2014 at 10:52 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Jenny A - September 20, 2014 at 11:16 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by snowtracks - September 28, 2014 at 2:56 am
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Cyberman - September 29, 2014 at 12:58 pm
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Minimalist - September 7, 2014 at 10:13 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by orangebox21 - September 7, 2014 at 11:02 pm
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by StealthySkeptic - September 8, 2014 at 2:14 pm
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by StealthySkeptic - September 8, 2014 at 2:21 pm
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by naimless - September 8, 2014 at 2:24 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by FatAndFaithless - September 8, 2014 at 2:25 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by naimless - September 8, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by FatAndFaithless - September 8, 2014 at 2:31 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by naimless - September 8, 2014 at 2:34 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by FatAndFaithless - September 8, 2014 at 2:35 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by naimless - September 8, 2014 at 2:38 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by FatAndFaithless - September 8, 2014 at 2:39 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by StealthySkeptic - September 8, 2014 at 2:45 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by StealthySkeptic - September 8, 2014 at 1:59 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Cyberman - September 8, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by StealthySkeptic - September 7, 2014 at 11:27 pm
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by naimless - September 8, 2014 at 1:25 pm
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Cyberman - September 8, 2014 at 2:15 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Michael - September 8, 2014 at 2:51 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by StealthySkeptic - September 8, 2014 at 2:53 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Michael - September 8, 2014 at 3:15 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by StealthySkeptic - September 8, 2014 at 3:29 pm
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Madness20 - September 8, 2014 at 3:03 pm
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Michael - September 8, 2014 at 3:38 pm
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Michael - September 8, 2014 at 3:52 pm
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Vicki Q - September 9, 2014 at 5:15 pm
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by StealthySkeptic - September 10, 2014 at 3:13 pm
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by StealthySkeptic - September 12, 2014 at 12:42 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Michael - September 8, 2014 at 5:48 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by StealthySkeptic - September 8, 2014 at 6:11 pm
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by snowtracks - September 10, 2014 at 1:36 am
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by snowtracks - September 10, 2014 at 11:03 pm
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Chad32 - September 10, 2014 at 10:10 am
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by snowtracks - September 16, 2014 at 1:32 am
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by StealthySkeptic - September 19, 2014 at 11:35 am
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Minimalist - September 10, 2014 at 11:42 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by The Valkyrie - September 10, 2014 at 11:46 pm
RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Bad Wolf - September 11, 2014 at 3:37 am
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by snowtracks - September 30, 2014 at 1:19 am
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by snowtracks - November 6, 2014 at 3:01 am
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Chad32 - November 6, 2014 at 11:10 am
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Chad32 - November 15, 2014 at 1:46 pm
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RE: Why Would God Hide? - by Tonus - November 10, 2014 at 7:48 pm
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