(October 30, 2014 at 1:54 am)snowtracks Wrote:(October 15, 2014 at 5:07 am)pocaracas Wrote: If a god exists and is responsible for creating the whole Universe, or whatever, then that god is a part of Nature and should be available to scrutiny.The naturalistic model forecast a slow arrival of life’s origin. Carl Sagan in his book ’intelligent life in the universe’ stated billions of years would be required for complex modules to arise from a primitive environment which is in agreement with modern day constructs. However the record shows that is not the case. the earliest fossils are dated to 3.5bya and geochemical dating of isotope ratios for carbon establishes that life was abundant on earth at least 3.8 bya. The earth’s age is 4.5 and until 3.9, the sun’s solar ionizing radiation was 50 times higher than present which would make life impossible. Life commence suddenly within 100 million years, plus there were additional environmental problem within that period that was hostile to any life arising from a naturalistic origin. Naturalism explanation for the life’s origin is hardly a ‘firm base’; more like shakier than jello.
In other words, if the Universe is indeed intelligently created, then the creator is itself part of Nature and, unless it placed some blocks to our potential ability to research Nature beyond what was created, we should be able to reliably come to some natural information about that creator.
Furthermore, if that creator is also intent on having us humans acknowledge its existence, then such blocks that it may place would counter this intent. So it's not reasonable to assume that such blocks would be in place for the abrahamic god(s).
As such, and given that none of the current scientific discoveries about the Universe show nor hint at the presence of such a creative force, we have no reason to accept humanity's wishful thinking as minimally accurate.
One, or more, of those wishes may be correct, in the end... but we have no way of knowing it. Until then, let's use what we do know as the firm base where to stand.
Wishful thinking is no base to work upon... unless you wish to work upon preying on the gullible who wish a lot.
So.. you didn't read the book, I see...
I didn't either, but I can guess at the context that's eluding you.
Billions of years... until the Earth itself could come into existence... until telluric planets could come into being.
After that, it didn't take long for life to spring up on this particular planet.
So my question to you, again, is why do you misrepresent what respected scientists say?
It's like you have some agenda... or you've been sold that agenda and are now trying your best to sell it to others... like some ponzi or pyramid scheme... There's a reason why those are illegal!