(November 2, 2014 at 4:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Quote:One result is the atomic bomb. Of course the people who deployed it never feared an afterlife judgement.
Not fearing an afterlife judgment isn't a position unique to atheists.
Boru
I'm with you on that. It's totally not an "atheist thing" ; even some Muslims don't believe in the judgement of the afterlife.
FifthElement
Not taking god seriously is another problem many religious people have. I never considered Christianity to be taking god seriously anyways (since the representation of god as a father is the most humiliating thing ever committed against god) and then the concept of salvation.
The real judgement day which is described like this in the Quran :
( 33 ) But when there comes the Deafening Blast
( 34 ) On the Day a man will flee from his brother
( 35 ) And his mother and his father
( 36 ) And his wife and his children,
( 37 ) For every man, that Day, will be a matter adequate for him.
( 38 ) [Some] faces, that Day, will be bright -
( 39 ) Laughing, rejoicing at good news.
( 40 ) And [other] faces, that Day, will have upon them dust. P 858
To me, these verses -along with many others- are enough to scare every person who believes in them, because obviously every person will be judged according to his/her own actions, away from anything else..
My point is : a real believe in verses such as these, would make that corner "non-existent". To a person who purely believes in judgement day, blood will never be shed randomly , even in extreme cases of desperation -because dying here with a gun is better than burning forever then-.
Or, the person is not taking god seriously.
-_- yes I admit, I haven't seen a gunshot in my life.
Are you Bosnian ?
Stimbo
Quote:No, you don't get to insinuate sarcasm into my words, especially where there is none. That's my call, not yours.
Alright.
Yes, some people are so naive . and because of their ideas, they cause suffering to others.
Quote:Consider that, to an atheist, this life is the only one we know for certain we're going to get. Wouldn't that make it infinitely more precious than the belief that if we sign up to some extremely dodgy pyramid scheme we'll earn the extra life cheat code after we snuff it?
Here's where the Islamic philosophy differs.
This life is no more than a prequel to the next ; it wasn't meant to be lived and rejoiced purely.
If I used to live in a high standard of living which allows me to enjoy life, it's not the same for others. As we speak now, children are dying in Africa from hunger, millions of them are starving. To me, that's not a perfect life.
I won't consider a life "precious" -enjoyment wise- with so much pain around me. Even if I don't experience it, it doesn't mean it's not there.
It's not about a group of greedy people who want to live twice. It's more about this life not being perfect in any form ; let alone precious.
The only thing making life on earth precious according to my understanding of Islam, is that it's the one & only duration for a person to do good deeds that would save him/her through the judgement day.
I agree with you that life is very "precious", but not because we're supposed to have fun in it. Not after I see ISIS cutting the heads of others, or American soldiers "scoring some Iraqies", or kids dying in africa because of hunger & sickness. It has always been like this ; life is only livable if it provides all humans with the same standard -something you find in heaven but not here-.
Quote:Besides which, if the only thing preventing you from doing bad things is the threat of post-mortem judgement, you must have a dismally low opinion of yourself.
Not really.
Usually, god creates humans with "instincts" and "emotions" that prevent them from doing bad stuff. A person who kills knows it's wrong ; but the definitions might vary.
I just happen to have a backup fundamental, that strengthen my instincts and emotions towards bad stuff ; and that is faith & believe in after death judgement.
I don't think about it every second, my instinct & emotions take care of the regular daily basis things. But when I get stuck in a corner like the FifthElement said, sure thing this believe in judgement will play a huge role in my decision -since instinct & emotions would probably fail-.
Parkers Tan
I didn't.
Some of the people who spread bad ideas about Muslims, are Christians, Jews, and even muslims.
miniboes
Nobody knows if they went to hell or not, each of them will be judged alone ; I know nothing about it.
But I can guarantee that criminals will suffer.
Though, the idea of the "Father" is a catholic faith that is not related to Islam. God is not human, not an alien, god is not a created living organism.
God in Islam -and I'm basing this on the Quran only ; which I believe to be the only pure text left-, is more like...nature. More like something above the limits of time, space & matter.
You can't blame him for depopulating a place, or making a balance system like the one on earth. Just like when the dinosaurs vanished.
This verse from the Quran, god speaks about his perspective :
( 18 ) But the Jews and the Christians say, "We are the children of Allah and His beloved." Say, "Then why does He punish you for your sins?" Rather, you are human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them, and to Him is the [final] destination.
The concept of "loving god" was literally forged, because many couldn't handle this perspective : god is literally a god, above the borders of time, he creates, he's not human neither a creation.
What does he want from us ? well, he is life.
We just don't know it yet.
Chas
I was criticizing the media !
and then, I give you my word that I won't generalize. I said all people do good & bad, how do you see that as generalization ??
