Eternal punishment is pointless.

[Drich]

Why.....and how? If the bible were the only place that hell existed this might be true...but something tells me that you don't think that hell is confined to the page.

because if you introduce any other source, then what you are describing is not the Hell described biblically, therefore something new and not what God has told us about through the bible.

Yeah, and your version of hell is based on theirs, in case you were unaware.

uhh... No. We share a greek word and little else. You are speaking to general christian belief and nothing I have said here.

The biblical version is not so elobrate, with different levels of hell and or puratory where the devil rules the realm. All those elements were borrowed from the greeks, pagans and roman mythology.

The OT version isn't "so elaborate". The NT version -is-.

the OT is not as elaborate as the NT, but still yet the NT is not as elaborate as what is told from catholic pulpits. The most descriptive portion of hell is that it was a place prepared as everlasting torment/a lake of fire, a pit, a void, for lucifer and his angels... Then we are told some of us will be sent there, where their will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Christ also tells us not to fear those who can destroy the body but fear the one who can destroy the body and spirit in Hell. Out side of what is written, Dante's inferno/the rest of what the RC church thinks of hell is again a hodge podge of crap taken from other cultures. I am sure some well meaning bishop or pope wanted to stress the hellish nature of what was to come, but in the end got it all wrong.

Far as I can tell from your various posts on the subject, you don't subscribe to the OT version of hell. You're an NT man, a christian, eh?

The OT word is Sheol. It means grave or death. Hades is the Greek word used to describe the fire prepared for lucifer in the NT.. My understanding is simple I have combined both. The NT describes how our souls will die/OT.

Which bible, which version, in what timeframe? Again, this might be true if hell were confined to the page......

you don't know how the bible is translated do you? Yet it seem you assume for some reason there is a myriad of source material for the bible concerning Hell.

We basically have two. The vulgate which is a latin work supposedly based on the greek, which btw is what Catholics use, and then we have various codexes/orginal greek manuscripts that the vulgate was supposedly taken from.. The Greek is what non Catholics use, because it does not include 'special revelation.'

So if you want to know what God said, use the version with out the special revelation.

Also, massive bullshit Drich. Did you get your info about hell from the bible alone (any version)? I seem to recall you claiming to have had an experience of sorts.......?

at the time of my experience I was only aware of the catholic version of Hell. My experience cause me to look up what the bible actually said. The deeper I researched it the more I understood the depth and meaning of what was written on page. My experienced confirmed what the bible said about hell before I knew what the bible had to say.[/quote]

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Where can knoweledge of Hell be sourced? Only the bible can provide such knowledge/or verify it. The catholic version of hell has it's roots in various religions it has assimilated over the centuries. The biblical version is not so elobrate, with different levels of hell and or puratory where the devil rules the realm. All those elements were borrowed from the greeks, pagans and roman mythology.

If you want to talk about the God of the Bible or the Hell of the bible then it is to the bible we must turn to for reference.

It's still just your word against theirs, they read the same bible as you and they win on the numbers. If you are all drawing such different conclusions from the source you're telling me to look at, you must see why I require more than just that one source to believe that your (or any individual) interpretation is more accurate than any other.

You asked a question, based on a very loose fill understanding of a religion you a faded intrest in. The fact that you believe that Catholics and non Catholics source our understanding of Hell from the same place prooves this. There is much in the way of secular documentation to the source material in which catholism fabricated it version of Hell. (It helps pacify the masses to know that hell can't be real if the biggest religion stole it from a bunch of others.) the problem you and the rest have is one easily resolved by a simple question. Does any of what the Catholic Church say about Hell appear in the bible? If not one can simply cut out and discard all of the old myth stuff, which includes most of your OP.

Again you asked a question based on God's fairness concerning Hell. I answered it by showing you what you believe to be Hell is infact not the Hell according to the only document God Him put before us to answer all things concerning Him... Including His works, thoughs and warnings of Hell.. But, it seems you need God to be unjust in order to justify how and what you think of Him. Otherwise it would seem to me an open mind would at least ask a few more questions concerning the idea that God is not the monster you need Him to be in your mind concerning this.

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Being on earth is being in the presents of creation or in turn the presents of God. Just because you are blind and def to Him does not mean He is not here.

Though lacking in self-awareness, I recently read something someone said that sums up the flaws of the assertion quoted above:

How narrow must a mind be to define the whole universe, and speak from a position of absolute certainty just by what it has experiences over the course of a few decades..

What makes you believe my position is based only what I have experienced?