(January 1, 2015 at 1:16 pm)Sillysheep Wrote: I appreciate your thoughts. Religion can be exactly as you say, and i am sure that it is to a lot of people. If it was not because of personal experiences that I have had, I would be prone to agree with you. To be honest when I began to seek God, I was like a child, meaning I decided to believe in what I could not see. This led me deeper into what has become a personal relationship with Jesus.
So... you decided to believe in god, and lo and behold, miracle of miracles, you found that you believed in god?
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Quote: There are things that has happened to me that I cannot explain. I am not desperate, but I am in love with the the one who created me.
And then we cap it with an argument from ignorance: you can't explain it, therefore the only possible explanation is god?
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Quote: Now virgin birth. How do you explain the birth of the universe? I find it fascinating to read about the big bang. It all started from an entity so small that it was invisible. Suddenly it explodes in much less than a second the universe was born. We do have two, sorry three choices here. Was it an accident? Was there a creator, or I don't know and therefore believe that it was a cosmic accident.
Hold it: you don't get to tell us what we believe. Never mind the fact that you were asked about a virgin birth and instead of answering you decided to dodge and change the subject to the big bang, never mind that "accident" is a misrepresentation of a designerless big bang model, and that there are more than the two choices: you do not get to decide that the "I don't know," answer entails an additional belief. The people who actually accept that they don't know get to decide whatever else we believe on that subject, and generally speaking the "I don't know" carries an implicit corollary that we are waiting for knowledge to arise before we'll believe anything about it.
Quote:So if God created the universe, how could He not create life inside of Mary?
It doesn't necessarily follow that a god capable of doing the former would be capable of doing the latter; maybe god's abilities are limited to universe creation, but he's unable to interfere with biological systems. Maybe he's allergic to evolution, and so can't touch evolved creatures like humans. You guys seem to use free will as an excuse a lot, when explaining why god doesn't act, so maybe he couldn't make a virgin birth happen because of that.
My advice to you is to stop assuming that the claims you want to be true are, and start demonstrating them. Before you get to the "if god created the universe, could he arrange a virgin birth?" demonstration, how about demonstrating that your god exists at all? Why should we start with an assumption that large, just to allow you to get to other, larger assumptions?
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