RE: A Conscious Universe
February 11, 2015 at 11:12 am
(This post was last modified: February 11, 2015 at 11:23 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 11, 2015 at 11:09 am)bennyboy Wrote: If you take any arbitrary collection of physical systems, then they will all meet your definition of mind,-actually...they wont - no more so than they do (some things...sure, I'm always saying that plants and pcs have "mind" if we have "mind"...aren't I?) - but what may have to be reclassified will comprise such a miniscule portion of all the stuff in the universe...it hardly bears mention in such a manner..since neither of us have taken it upon ourselves to redefine computation.
Quote: since all matter is computing information about spin, mass, etc.-um..no, computation is a bit more strict than stuff interacting - thats why we can;t build a computer out of anything...any old way we like.
-Computation requires a range of very specific interactions -regardless of the means by which these interactions are achieved-. Things we don't describe as conscious now are unlikely to find themselves in the position of being conscious just because we alter our idea of how those interactions are achieved, how those requirements are met. The universe will remain a "dumb" place where lot of things(ideas) happen...that has computational/conscious systems -within it-, as it is now. Besides...you don't think computers are conscious anyway, now do you? If you are conscious, then a rock is not, even if you're both comp systems (there are further undeclared requirements). Why not apply the same blade to the relationship between yourself and the universe? Yourself and a photon?
Quote: Congratulations, you've proven that the universe is conscious!Unless you're being snarky.....I think I see what our problem might be - you have a strange idea of what computation is and entails
(combined with your strange ideas about QM.....a picture emerges)
Quote:Great. So we agree.You keep telling me that we don't..so........lol.
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