RE: Atheist moral code
March 4, 2015 at 3:51 pm
(This post was last modified: March 4, 2015 at 3:55 pm by Simon Moon.)
(March 4, 2015 at 10:55 am)ChadWooters Wrote:(March 4, 2015 at 4:05 am)robvalue Wrote: It is entirely to each individual atheist to decide on their moral code.Basically, moral relativism.
It's possible to have purely secular morality that is not relative.
We all live in the same physical universe, subject to the same physical laws, with more or less the same brains and bodies.
The chances that what I want/need to survive, thrive, be healthy and happy are pretty much what the vast majority of humanity also wants/needs. Life is preferable to death, health is preferable to disease, freedom is preferable to slavery, etc.
From the above, I can evaluate every situation that requires a moral action to try to get the best overall outcome for the most people, and to minimize the worst outcome for the most people.
For example, slavery is always wrong, and it always has been. You know how you can tell? Ask the slaves how they feel about it.
(March 4, 2015 at 10:55 am)ChadWooters Wrote:(March 4, 2015 at 4:05 am)robvalue Wrote: In general, people get their morality from their conscience, …And from where does the conscience come? Survival of the fittest hardly qualifies as a moral principle.
Survival of the fittest does not mean, for social species, the most aggressive, meanest, selfish bastard is the fittest to survive. Human's survival strategy is not the same as tigers.
Or morality is derived, to a large extent, specifically from our being a complex social species.
(March 4, 2015 at 10:55 am)ChadWooters Wrote:(March 4, 2015 at 4:05 am)robvalue Wrote: Funnily enough, I've noticed a far more consistent set of general morals from atheists than I have from theists.Confirmation bias.
Not exactly.
http://www.vexen.co.uk/countries/best.html
The most atheistic countries in the world (Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland) are considered the best places to live. They have lower crime rates, lower poverty, better health care, better education rates, lower infant mortality, lower political corruption, than most of religious countries, including the US.
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You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.