RE: Be honest, am I going to hell for "my" atheism?
April 1, 2015 at 2:39 am
(This post was last modified: April 1, 2015 at 2:59 am by robvalue.)
Lek: What you call "evidence" is what I call "reality". We have a data sample of one reality, nothing to compare it to.
What would our reality look like if it wasn't the result of an intelligent designer, and how do you know this? Science has amazing answers of how our universe works, all the way back to the big bang, without the needless assumption of any kind of interference from a god. So short of just making stuff up, or a god that acts in ways indistinguishable from him not existing at all, that only leaves a deistic god as a rational conclusion. Anything else is an argument from ignorance as far as I can see. "But maybe..." is an ad-hoc rationalization, and if it's an unfalsifiable statement, it's as useless as any other.
In other words, I think that whatever you see, whatever you experience, you will find a way to see it as credible evidence for what you already believe. I'm in the same reality as you and I see absolutely nothing.
It's the oldest trick in the book to blame me for that. I'm not trying hard enough! It's not my time! I will see it soon! These are all standards by which god cannot fail. In other words, you can "prove" he exists even if he doesn't. That should be troubling? Can you give an example of any criteria, any event, anything at all that you would not consider evidence for god? Is there a way your evaluation can fail? If it cannot, then it's not an evaluation, it's a baseless assumption.
And the "evidence" you see is at best only a demonstration of a generic creator. How do you explain switching in the god of the bible? Whatever argument you make that god = your god can be just as easily made for any other god Is god different for each person, depending on their opinions, depending on what part of the world they are born in? Whatever book they like the most? Whatever story sounds the most appealing?
Or is he just a continually adjusting abstract notion that hides in the gaps and swerves critical analysis?
Sorry for the third degree I don't mean to be aggressive, they are just friendly questions to probe thought and discussion
He's welcome to show up any time and smash my ignorant face in. God, I give you permission to rip my guts out and makes my eyes explode. Go! Do something man! Why are you leaving your followers with nothing tangible to throw in the face of us thick skulled atheists? Why you are letting us call you a bollock sandwich?
What would our reality look like if it wasn't the result of an intelligent designer, and how do you know this? Science has amazing answers of how our universe works, all the way back to the big bang, without the needless assumption of any kind of interference from a god. So short of just making stuff up, or a god that acts in ways indistinguishable from him not existing at all, that only leaves a deistic god as a rational conclusion. Anything else is an argument from ignorance as far as I can see. "But maybe..." is an ad-hoc rationalization, and if it's an unfalsifiable statement, it's as useless as any other.
In other words, I think that whatever you see, whatever you experience, you will find a way to see it as credible evidence for what you already believe. I'm in the same reality as you and I see absolutely nothing.
It's the oldest trick in the book to blame me for that. I'm not trying hard enough! It's not my time! I will see it soon! These are all standards by which god cannot fail. In other words, you can "prove" he exists even if he doesn't. That should be troubling? Can you give an example of any criteria, any event, anything at all that you would not consider evidence for god? Is there a way your evaluation can fail? If it cannot, then it's not an evaluation, it's a baseless assumption.
And the "evidence" you see is at best only a demonstration of a generic creator. How do you explain switching in the god of the bible? Whatever argument you make that god = your god can be just as easily made for any other god Is god different for each person, depending on their opinions, depending on what part of the world they are born in? Whatever book they like the most? Whatever story sounds the most appealing?
Or is he just a continually adjusting abstract notion that hides in the gaps and swerves critical analysis?
Sorry for the third degree I don't mean to be aggressive, they are just friendly questions to probe thought and discussion
He's welcome to show up any time and smash my ignorant face in. God, I give you permission to rip my guts out and makes my eyes explode. Go! Do something man! Why are you leaving your followers with nothing tangible to throw in the face of us thick skulled atheists? Why you are letting us call you a bollock sandwich?
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