Moses PROVED to be a fraud, but...?

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One growing consensus is that the Exodus is myth and that Moses never existed. I'm unaware of any causal link between Mosaic law and the the Egyptian law of M'aat,although there may be some correlations .Egyptian ethics and moral law are not directly analogous with Judaeo-Christian mores.Their entire world views,cosmology and theology are different.

Another growing consensus is that Judaism is younger than traditionally thought. the Exodus is dated at anything from 1450B CE to1250 BCE. It's being increasingly accepted that the Torah was probably written in Babylon as late as the C8th BCE. That at least some of Mosaic law was lifted from Hammurabi's code, circa 1790 BCE.

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Tut's parents were Akhn Aten and one of his five sisters,although it's not known which one (established though DNA testing) It is now though common Egyptian Royal incest may have been the cause of Tut's death at age 19 due to genetic defects..

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I don't think anyone can say that the egyptians had no influence on the hebrews, the egyptians were an ancient superpower for a very long time. It's like saying that people living in england or somalia aren't influenced by the actions of american government or business, they're certianly affected in a huge way- whether by trying to emulate cultural aspects, or by being repulsed or whatever. Conquered nations and people more often than not try and emulate their conqueror to become as powerful and reclaim themselves from vassaldom- not so much today I hasten to add... but throughout history this has usually been the norm, and for the hebrews and Moses' to have copied some of the social laws of the egyptians seems natural.

(Today 11:25)Skipper Wrote:
I guess then, my first sentence should have read "I'd say the claim of MOSES moving apart and crossing the red sea". Regardless of whether it's scientifically possible or not, the claim that he was the reason it happened (or happened at all in the perfect time and conditions that would have allowed them to cross) is what makes him a fraud.

Also, the claim of him not existing is also a very valid one padraic haha

Hahah yeah the red sea, but as if any christian could be convinced of such things through common sense alone...

I know that there are some people who say Moses may not have existed, and that used to be my own opnion on religion itself; just ignore it, it's bullshit. But it's not constructive in my experience, you can throw an arguement and the chance to change somebodys mind away by coming at them from that angle. If the guy did exist, and for the benefit of conversation assume he did, then from what i've found his actions negate him more than just calling into question his existance.


Also for Padriac, and i'm not encouraging turning this into a thread on Aten! But.. i've never read or heard anything concrete about Akhenaten remarrying one of his daughters- he had six children, girls but no male heirs and died without a male child. I'm sure that was the case. I also wasn't aware that Tutankhamuns heritage had ever been proved to have been directly linked to Akhenatens daughters, you mentioned DNA evidence but it's been my understanding he may have been a cousin or some family relative young enough to be harmless in politics and still be connected to the pharoahs family and be a legitimate claim to the throne- the perfect candidate for an Amun puppet king- and of course DNA doesn't always work in accurately narrowing down direct parentage. I'd be interested in seeing anything you've got about that though.