Transubstantiation 'miracle' shenanigans

[SteelCurtain]

The assertion that this is what actually happens is patently ridiculous. Just saying "Jeebus says" carries no weight. You have made a claim that cannot be tested. You say the bread and wine changes, but its physical characteristics are not altered. By what measure has it changed, then?

Perhaps ridiculous to you, yet invoking Christ carries weight in a theological context. The measure in question is theological. Now, we're not going to rush the USDA beef carcass inspectors in to examine the host after the priest consecrates it. Good thing. But for whatever theological reasons they have, transubstantiation makes sense to Catholics.

Indeed, Carson has linked it to Jesus' use of a nominal sentence in "this is my body." English can use nominal sentences to denote either representation or identity; our language doesn't mark the verb "to be" for identity, in the way that Latin marks "sum." If Catholic theology was relying on the Latin Vulgate, the identity sense of the verb would be much stronger than what English conveys with "is."

Yeah, gotta call bullshit on that. If a claim can be asserted in reality, it can be tested in reality. If the Bible says that bats are birds, that does not make it true just because the Bible says so. I can call bullshit on any claim that can be tested. So if you claim that a cracker turns into Jesus when a pedophile says some words to it, but nothing about it physically or chemically changes, then I can call that a phenomenally moronic claim. And I do.

Randy, if you are going to accuse someone of not using logic, you had better step your game up.