Satandiddit to screw with the Protestants

If a DNA test of the Jesus meat showed a human haploid, I'd convert.

I'm breaking out Hitchens' Razor on that.

And please try to be more careful with your post formatting.

(May 13, 2015 at 7:19 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Ah...this is an easy one. When the bread and wine are consecrated, the substance changes and becomes the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus. Hence the term transubstantiation. However, the accidents (the look, feel, taste, etc) of bread and wine remain. Thus, at mass Catholics receive the body and blood of Jesus in species that still look and taste like bread and wine.

So the substance changes but its appearance and taste, and everything that identifies it as that substance, stays the same. Gotcha. The fact that a substance changes (but doesn't change anything by which we would describe it) by saying some words over it doesn't trip any cognitive dissonance for you at all? You realize how patently ridiculous this assertion is, right?

(May 13, 2015 at 7:19 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: With me so far?

(May 13, 2015 at 9:43 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I'm breaking out Hitchens' Razor on that.

And please try to be more careful with your post formatting.

My apologies. I'm obviously new and trying to figure out how the forum software works.

I'm used to seeing {quote} {/quote}  around everything I am responding to. 

    And if there is an indent button, that would be great, too.

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(May 13, 2015 at 10:27 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(May 13, 2015 at 7:19 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Ah...this is an easy one. When the bread and wine are consecrated, the substance changes and becomes the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus. Hence the term transubstantiation. However, the accidents (the look, feel, taste, etc) of bread and wine remain. Thus, at mass Catholics receive the body and blood of Jesus in species that still look and taste like bread and wine.

So the substance changes but its appearance and taste, and everything that identifies it as that substance, stays the same. Gotcha. The fact that a substance changes (but doesn't change anything by which we would describe it) by saying some words over it doesn't trip any cognitive dissonance for you at all? You realize how patently ridiculous this assertion is, right?

(May 13, 2015 at 7:19 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: With me so far?

Patently ridiculous? No. It's pretty straightforward.

Jesus said, "This is my body, this is my blood."

He never said, "This represents...".

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Could someone explain why it appears that when I respond to two separate posts...one right after the other...they appear to merge as a single post?

(May 12, 2015 at 10:06 am)Pyrrho Wrote:

(May 11, 2015 at 5:19 pm)robvalue Wrote: ...If I look up to someone and respect them, I don't also feel the need to pretend I'm eating bits of them.

If you really respected someone, you would be eating bits of him, like normal people do!

But didn't they do that on New Guinea until fairly recently? 'Twas the brain that was eaten, after the person in question had died. It allowed you to acquire a portion of the soul or essence of the departed. Until the government banned it. Then there were the prions transmitted by the practice, a human form of mad-cow disease.

(May 13, 2015 at 7:19 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Ah...this is an easy one. When the bread and wine are consecrated, the substance changes and becomes the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus. Hence the term transubstantiation. However, the accidents (the look, feel, taste, etc) of bread and wine remain...

While for Protestants neither the substance nor its accidents change. Yet for both Catholics and Protestants, it is believed that Christ sanctions and blesses the act of communion. It's kind of odd, though, the staying power of the argument over this thing. The Catholic Church, said to be clinging to "primitive" beliefs, has since 1963 gotten more progressive in the global arena, for the social gospel, than certain American Evangelical Protestant churches that are becoming increasingly parochial and political.

(May 13, 2015 at 10:50 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: My apologies. I'm obviously new and trying to figure out how the forum software works.

I'm used to seeing {quote} {/quote}  around everything I am responding to. 

    And if there is an indent button, that would be great, too.

The forum default is to put the editor in MyCode formatting. You can switch it to source mode by hitting the button on the end of the second row in the editor, or by hitting Ctrl+Shift+S. Then you'll see all the BBCode tags.

(May 13, 2015 at 10:50 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Could someone explain why it appears that when I respond to two separate posts...one right after the other...they appear to merge as a single post?

The forum is set up to automatically merge back to back posts with a horizontal rule between. If you post 2 hours later, it would be a new post.

(May 13, 2015 at 10:50 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Patently ridiculous? No. It's pretty straightforward.

Jesus said, "This is my body, this is my blood."

He never said, "This represents...".

The assertion that this is what actually happens is patently ridiculous. Just saying "Jeebus says" carries no weight. You have made a claim that cannot be tested. You say the bread and wine changes, but its physical characteristics are not altered. By what measure has it changed, then?

Fiat assertion does not make a claim true. It's a fucking ridiculous claim, and can be dismissed as such.

(May 13, 2015 at 11:28 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(May 13, 2015 at 10:50 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: My apologies. I'm obviously new and trying to figure out how the forum software works.

I'm used to seeing {quote} {/quote}  around everything I am responding to. 

    And if there is an indent button, that would be great, too.

The forum default is to put the editor in MyCode formatting. You can switch it to source mode by hitting the button on the end of the second row in the editor, or by hitting Ctrl+Shift+S. Then you'll see all the BBCode tags.

Thanks.

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(May 13, 2015 at 10:50 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Could someone explain why it appears that when I respond to two separate posts...one right after the other...they appear to merge as a single post?

The forum is set up to automatically merge back to back posts with a horizontal rule between. If you post 2 hours later, it would be a new post.

Interesting. Makes it hard to respond to multiple people in the same thread, sorta.

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(May 13, 2015 at 10:50 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Patently ridiculous? No. It's pretty straightforward.

Jesus said, "This is my body, this is my blood."

He never said, "This represents...".

The assertion that this is what actually happens is patently ridiculous. Just saying "Jeebus says" carries no weight. You have made a claim that cannot be tested. You say the bread and wine changes, but its physical characteristics are not altered. By what measure has it changed, then?

Fiat assertion does not make a claim true. It's a fucking ridiculous claim, and can be dismissed as such.

If God says something, then it IS true whether you understand it or not.

So, the real issues are whether God exists and whether He said it.

If the answers to both of these questions are "yes", the rest is pretty straightforward.