Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'?

[The Grand Nudger]

Your moving the goalposts now.  You started out by claiming that mind offers no additional utility now mind offers no utility over brain? We are assuming that there is a distinction precisely because you framed the question that way - not for any other reason. That might explain why you've reached such a strange conclusion...you know...those assumptions you began with.  Take away that mind bit (whatever that means to you). Assume your body keeps doing what it normally does, minus that (whatever that is to you). You see no decrease in utility? Your mind, in your estimation...is that irrelevant, compared to your brains other functions? You're proposing that if I removed your mind, from your brain (if that's where it resides, but if not okay...I'll remove it from your "undefined").....that there may be no discernible difference? That's simply not my experience of mind, so you can understand why I'm having trouble accepting the claim, especially in that thusfar...you've simply claimed it, right?

-and again, all of this apparently just so you can manufacture a problem for "the physicalist position" as a jumping off point. I'm very leary, and you should be as well.

Make up your mind, so I know what we're discussing.

(hey, gotta ask, do you think that there is anything with a brain that doesn't have mind, or the capacity for mind, btw?)

If you think that's batshit, then you'll have to explain why.

I have been, with every response. Your claim seems to take a left turn from my experience. I bet it doesn't accurately describe your experience either (which is why you see a "problem for the physicalist position"). Huh? Regardless of whether or not the physicalist position is true, mind....either considered separately -from- brain....or as a conversationally divided fraction -of- brain is providing you and I with additional utility over, say, the involuntary and mostly "dark" operation of our lungs (that is what we both observe..is it not?). Additionally, the physicalist position provides no -barrier- to that additional utility. There is nothing about a physical mind that would prevent it from offering you additional utility over the range of other brain functions (or, over the wide range of brain functions..assuming mind is "other") that I'm aware of...and you certainly haven't given me any reason to think otherwise in this thread. The physicalist position simply seeks to describe how we achieve that utility - by reference to what the structures that we think are providing that effect are capable -of-. If we do it "the physicalist way" or some other way, the utility will still be present, as both you and I experience. Again, nothing vanishes in a puff of shitty logic. This is why your jumping off point fails, hard, on it's face.