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A Religion for the Non Religious
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RE: A Religion for the Non Religious
(July 13, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Thanks for the well thought out reply!

Your last paragraph, though is not what he's saying. He's not saying we should appeal to a higher power. He doesn't believe in a higher power. And he is precisely telling us to take control of our own lives and fates.

I think that his attempt to describe it in religious terms confuses things. Talk of conscious awareness as a 'higher being' and references to 'the truth' and of a veil that can obscure it ('a fog') seems a way to try to, as his title suggests, view things as from a religious perspective. I think it still gives an impression that there are many more things that are out of our control than actually are, and that he is turning conventional understanding on its head. We're better off understanding the subconscious mind and finding ways to influence it than to think that we've got a few evolutionary steps to take before we unlock our higher self and reach a new level of achievement. That, in itself, is reminiscent of religious thinking: manage in the present with an eye towards a greater future provided by an outside agent, instead of striving for a better today to create a better future for those who follow. I much prefer the latter approach.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 13, 2015 at 2:35 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Dragonetti - July 13, 2015 at 2:47 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 13, 2015 at 2:51 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by loganonekenobi - July 14, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 14, 2015 at 10:30 am
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Whateverist - July 13, 2015 at 2:51 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 13, 2015 at 4:02 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Whateverist - July 14, 2015 at 9:24 am
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Dragonetti - July 13, 2015 at 2:57 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 13, 2015 at 3:01 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Napoléon - July 13, 2015 at 3:08 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Napoléon - July 13, 2015 at 2:59 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Minimalist - July 13, 2015 at 4:05 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 13, 2015 at 4:20 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Minimalist - July 13, 2015 at 4:40 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 13, 2015 at 4:41 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Minimalist - July 13, 2015 at 5:45 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Tonus - July 13, 2015 at 5:12 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 13, 2015 at 5:24 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Tonus - July 14, 2015 at 12:08 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 14, 2015 at 12:18 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Tonus - July 14, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 14, 2015 at 2:28 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Longhorn - July 13, 2015 at 5:27 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 13, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Longhorn - July 13, 2015 at 5:38 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 13, 2015 at 5:41 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by ignoramus - July 13, 2015 at 5:45 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by ignoramus - July 14, 2015 at 8:00 am
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 14, 2015 at 9:55 am
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Mister Agenda - July 14, 2015 at 9:41 am
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 14, 2015 at 10:23 am
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Whateverist - July 14, 2015 at 9:54 am
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Whateverist - July 14, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by TubbyTubby - July 14, 2015 at 12:28 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 14, 2015 at 12:35 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by TubbyTubby - July 14, 2015 at 12:54 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 15, 2015 at 1:05 am
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 15, 2015 at 9:40 am
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by AFTT47 - July 15, 2015 at 11:56 am
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 15, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 19, 2015 at 7:09 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 19, 2015 at 7:11 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 19, 2015 at 7:17 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 19, 2015 at 7:29 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by AFTT47 - July 14, 2015 at 11:01 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Napoléon - July 19, 2015 at 7:32 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 19, 2015 at 7:54 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Napoléon - July 19, 2015 at 8:04 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 19, 2015 at 8:14 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Napoléon - July 19, 2015 at 8:28 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 19, 2015 at 8:32 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Napoléon - July 19, 2015 at 8:34 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 19, 2015 at 8:41 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 19, 2015 at 8:44 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Napoléon - July 19, 2015 at 8:45 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 19, 2015 at 8:48 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 19, 2015 at 8:50 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 19, 2015 at 8:51 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Regina - July 19, 2015 at 9:21 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 19, 2015 at 9:43 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Metis - July 19, 2015 at 10:05 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Metis - July 19, 2015 at 9:58 pm
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Longhorn - July 20, 2015 at 3:37 am
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Bob Kelso - July 20, 2015 at 6:40 am
RE: A Religion for the Non Religious - by Catholic_Lady - July 20, 2015 at 12:21 pm

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