RE: Apologetics open challenge
July 20, 2015 at 2:25 pm
(This post was last modified: July 20, 2015 at 2:28 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 20, 2015 at 2:15 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I will be first making argument for a creator.
1) Time is temporal (came to being).
2) Something that existed without time, had to bring it to being.
3) That something has to have will, as it was not inevitable that time comes to being through a physical thing.
As for premise 1. I say the following proofs for it.
Argument 1:
1) Each point of time is temporal (came to being).
2) If time consists of each point of time, that all of it came to being (due it being consisted of only things came to being).
Argument 2:
1) If time was infinite each point of time is preceded by a point of time
2) If time was infinite, the whole of time would not be preceded by a point of time.
3) This is a paradox, and hence time being infinite is impossible.
These are sufficient, even though there are more arguments.
As for premise 2. That something that existed without time, had to cause it to come to being.
It can be argued that there is no more north to the north pole, but this suggests that there is no going back before the first point of time, but not that anything didn't ontological precede it or that it was always there and didn't need to come into being. Therefore it makes sense something without time brought it into being.
As for premise 3. That it needed will.
I take it as manifest that a physical thing cannot cause a wondrous thing as time to exist and just make it appear after not existing. This is clear and manifest, and just needs to be thought about. A lifeless force simply cannot do this. It has no magical power.
A being with will and magical power, is the only being capable of doing this.
So far this says nothing about the Creator other then what I stated (which wasn't much). However, I feel once you accept the Creator, things like the soul existing becomes more manifest to you and then with the signs of divine light and soul, you can witness divinity, the absolute source of greatness and absolute great Lord.
Peace.
You never got around to stringing 1, 2, and 3 into a logically valid form for assessment. When will you be making the argument for a creator, as claimed? What we have thusfar is a list of assertions and nothing more. What is it that you are hoping we conclude, and by what rule of inference?
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