RE: A question about the love of god
August 6, 2014 at 9:57 am
(This post was last modified: August 6, 2014 at 10:11 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Riiiiiiiight, except for the nagging fact that disease exists whereas demons do not. There's no reason to twist yourself into a contextual knot Alpha, the demon theory of disease was good enough for jesus and the disciples (and to be blunt, the majority of peoples in the ANE, period). Now, I don't want to do those peoples any disservice - they also had physicians, which suggests that they didn't view -all- disease as being demonic in origin (simply that demons -could- cause disease under their conceptualization- and not always by posession).
That jesus "cured" physical ailments that we would diagnose as disease today by casting out demons and the laying of magical hands (and gave his disciples this superpower as well)in various places in the gospels (and that this is supported by countless stories similar to and supportive of such a conception throughout the entirety of the biblical narrative - which is why he just "had to" cast out demons in the first place) is simply beyond any reasonable argument. The literature in this regard, both from the biblical narrative and external sources, is conclusive - this was a connection that people made, period. The authors of the texts can be excused, disease is terrifying, and I'd be willing to bet that it was even more-so when it's various causes were still unclear. You, on the other hand, cannot - neither in the case of their beliefs or your apologetic attempts.
Why are the beliefs of the people who concocted this jesus shit, and ostensibly the beliefs of "jesus himself" so unacceptable? Who knows better- god, jesus, and the people of the ANE, or you? Similarly, who knows better what they meant when they told the story? Don't even get me started on fringe translations. Modern translations invariably become "fringe" translations when the idiocy represented in the greek (or any other language the text is derived from) rubs the translator the wrong way.
That jesus "cured" physical ailments that we would diagnose as disease today by casting out demons and the laying of magical hands (and gave his disciples this superpower as well)in various places in the gospels (and that this is supported by countless stories similar to and supportive of such a conception throughout the entirety of the biblical narrative - which is why he just "had to" cast out demons in the first place) is simply beyond any reasonable argument. The literature in this regard, both from the biblical narrative and external sources, is conclusive - this was a connection that people made, period. The authors of the texts can be excused, disease is terrifying, and I'd be willing to bet that it was even more-so when it's various causes were still unclear. You, on the other hand, cannot - neither in the case of their beliefs or your apologetic attempts.
Why are the beliefs of the people who concocted this jesus shit, and ostensibly the beliefs of "jesus himself" so unacceptable? Who knows better- god, jesus, and the people of the ANE, or you? Similarly, who knows better what they meant when they told the story? Don't even get me started on fringe translations. Modern translations invariably become "fringe" translations when the idiocy represented in the greek (or any other language the text is derived from) rubs the translator the wrong way.
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