(April 1, 2015 at 7:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 2. The likelihood that highly ethical people will behave unethically is not statistically significant.
The likelihood of ethical people behaving unethically is a practical guarantee. I'm not sure any person on the forums could claim to be 100% ethical 100% of the time.
(April 1, 2015 at 7:54 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Also, I'd say that your assumption is demonstrably wrong: "Causing suffering in children is unethical." Vaccines cause suffering, but are not unethical since statistically you are doing what is most likely to bring the greater good: reduced ill-time in a lifetime, and greater survivability. Taking away their handphones when they play too many games will cause suffering, but is clearly not unethical.
I'm not convinced this is a good example as the suffering caused by a child receiving a vaccine is, in the vast majority of cases, momentary and fleeting. The momentary suffering is then seen as a necessary discomfort to achieve the greater good of public health and preventing pandemic diseases from spreading.
(April 1, 2015 at 7:56 pm)Brometheus Wrote:(April 1, 2015 at 7:33 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: Confusing.
Could have been stated way more simply as:
1. Causing a child to suffer is unethical and immoral.
2. Bringing a child into the world might cause them to suffer.
.:. 3. Bringing a child into the world is unethical and immoral.
As for what I think, there's a helluva lot riding on that "might".
I'm a little pissed that I was created merely for somebody's self-fulfillment.
That's not even relevant to what I posted. The above syllogism says nothing about the motives of the parents, nor suggests that those motives are purely for "self-fulfillment."
(April 1, 2015 at 9:42 pm)Brometheus Wrote: But what is the point of continuing the human-species? Their contributions, if any, benefit only to themselves, but they themselves do not need to exist for anything.
You're assuming that our species evolving serves some kind of grand, teleological purpose, that we evolved to do something in particular or that our species being here has some greater meaning in the world that we need to fulfill, which is incorrect.
Quote:If we arose by chance and are here for nothing, this is the total sum of all that any of us can contribute, in the large scheme of things.
Incorrect again. As highly-social animals, we have developed complex social and cultural systems in which we each contribute something of value to ourselves and, usually, to others. Just because we didn't evolve with a teleological purpose doesn't mean we can't give our own lives purpose.
Teenaged X-Files obsession + Bermuda Triangle episode + Self-led school research project = Atheist.