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Arizona Immigration Bill
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RE: Arizona Immigration Bill
Quote:America is a nation of laws and the Rule of Law means that everyone receives justice regardless of status.


Perhaps more accurate to say "---means that everyone is SEEN to receive justice----"

Neither the US nor Australia has a justice system. We each have legal system. Justice occurs, but by happy accident rather than by design.However, our systems remain better than most.

In my opinion two major impediments to a just outcome ,[especially in criminal law] are;

The system of adversarial advocacy: Defence and prosecution have access to the same facts yet argue opposite conclusions. The relatively small number of criminal cases which actually get to court can be more like a high school debate than a serious attempt to discover what actually happened.


Plea bargaining:

Without plea bargaining,the court systems in the US and Australia would come to a screeching halt .Plea bargaining is a severe disadvantage to anyone depending on a overworked an underpaid public defender.

A quick search shows that in the US between 90-95% of all cases involve some form of plea bargaining. Google is arse deep in references about the innate injustice of plea bargaining. The reasons for its existence are expedience and cost.
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Arizona Immigration Bill - by Eilonnwy - April 26, 2010 at 9:01 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Paul the Human - April 26, 2010 at 9:48 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Eilonnwy - April 26, 2010 at 10:15 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Paul the Human - April 26, 2010 at 10:23 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Minimalist - April 26, 2010 at 11:38 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Paul the Human - April 26, 2010 at 11:47 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Minimalist - April 26, 2010 at 11:49 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by leo-rcc - April 26, 2010 at 1:43 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Minimalist - April 26, 2010 at 2:14 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Eilonnwy - April 26, 2010 at 6:28 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Minimalist - April 26, 2010 at 6:43 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by padraic - April 27, 2010 at 7:02 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Dotard - April 27, 2010 at 8:11 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Minimalist - April 27, 2010 at 12:50 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by padraic - April 28, 2010 at 12:57 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Minimalist - April 29, 2010 at 9:36 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by theVOID - April 28, 2010 at 1:06 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Minimalist - April 28, 2010 at 1:44 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Dotard - April 28, 2010 at 7:53 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Minimalist - April 28, 2010 at 12:10 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Dotard - April 30, 2010 at 8:29 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by padraic - April 29, 2010 at 10:51 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Minimalist - April 30, 2010 at 12:09 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Dotard - May 3, 2010 at 8:46 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by padraic - April 30, 2010 at 7:26 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by campenney - May 1, 2010 at 9:42 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by padraic - May 1, 2010 at 10:13 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Minimalist - May 1, 2010 at 10:16 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by padraic - May 1, 2010 at 10:31 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Minimalist - May 1, 2010 at 11:01 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by padraic - May 2, 2010 at 1:48 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Minimalist - May 2, 2010 at 1:52 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Minimalist - May 3, 2010 at 1:10 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Autumnlicious - May 3, 2010 at 1:16 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Minimalist - May 3, 2010 at 9:22 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Dotard - May 6, 2010 at 11:05 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by padraic - May 4, 2010 at 5:38 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by The_Flying_Skeptic - May 7, 2010 at 12:56 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Minimalist - May 7, 2010 at 12:58 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Dotard - May 7, 2010 at 8:45 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by KawaiiKoneko - May 7, 2010 at 8:22 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Minimalist - May 8, 2010 at 3:23 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Dotard - May 9, 2010 at 1:20 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by The_Flying_Skeptic - May 8, 2010 at 4:45 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by KawaiiKoneko - May 9, 2010 at 4:58 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Minimalist - May 9, 2010 at 4:25 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Dotard - May 9, 2010 at 5:46 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by fr0d0 - May 9, 2010 at 7:11 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Dotard - May 10, 2010 at 8:13 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by leo-rcc - May 10, 2010 at 8:34 am
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Dotard - May 10, 2010 at 12:59 pm
RE: Arizona Immigration Bill - by Dotard - May 11, 2010 at 8:00 am

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