RE: Would you be an atheist if science and reason wasn't supportive of atheism?
December 7, 2012 at 6:17 am
(This post was last modified: December 7, 2012 at 6:21 am by pocaracas.)
Can some of you probabilities experts tell me how it was that someone calculated the probability of a physical constant being what it is?
As far as I see it, these constants are real numbers.... if it was to sprout up randomly, it could take any one of the #R values (number of values in the real numbers set), or infinity. The odds of arriving at just one of them, would be 1/infinity, which is something very close to zero.... so close, it's indistinguishable from zero.
So, how could anyone calculate a non-zero probability for all the physical constants?
@Rythm & Vinnie
While Rythm is advocating the bayesian a priori probability concept "Given A, what are the odds of A? pff, 100% of course!", vinnie seems to be assuming the lack of such knowledge, which would be the reality when no Universe exists "What are the odds of A, given nothing? Some guy came up with this very small number."
You're arguing for two different things and at each other's hair for the other's lack of common ground.... -.-' while being both right...
Just a note on infinity. The number pi has an infinite "random" sequence of numerical symbols. It is possible to convert these numerals into musical notes and find, in pi, all the music that has ever been made by humans... provided it's music with up to 10 different notes. If you represent each note by 2 numerals, you could find all musics with up to 100 different notes. It's infinite. At some point, you'll find anything there. The trouble is how long would we humans take to find it?
As far as I see it, these constants are real numbers.... if it was to sprout up randomly, it could take any one of the #R values (number of values in the real numbers set), or infinity. The odds of arriving at just one of them, would be 1/infinity, which is something very close to zero.... so close, it's indistinguishable from zero.
So, how could anyone calculate a non-zero probability for all the physical constants?
@Rythm & Vinnie
While Rythm is advocating the bayesian a priori probability concept "Given A, what are the odds of A? pff, 100% of course!", vinnie seems to be assuming the lack of such knowledge, which would be the reality when no Universe exists "What are the odds of A, given nothing? Some guy came up with this very small number."
You're arguing for two different things and at each other's hair for the other's lack of common ground.... -.-' while being both right...
Just a note on infinity. The number pi has an infinite "random" sequence of numerical symbols. It is possible to convert these numerals into musical notes and find, in pi, all the music that has ever been made by humans... provided it's music with up to 10 different notes. If you represent each note by 2 numerals, you could find all musics with up to 100 different notes. It's infinite. At some point, you'll find anything there. The trouble is how long would we humans take to find it?
