RE: Question about female worth in islam.
November 29, 2013 at 11:34 am
(This post was last modified: November 29, 2013 at 11:38 am by Nineteen.)
(November 29, 2013 at 10:26 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I think I said quite clearly I want one that states people of different nationality and religions have equal rights and verses that states so EXPLICITLY.
None of the verses you provided says anything about nationality and religion.
I say this because your religion has tribal beginnings that includes going to war and conquering nations that hold different beliefs or are of different nationalities. I also want to remind you that when the qur'an talks about being just, it's talking about shariah (yes?), and shariah does not function on the assumption that humans have equal rights. As you have so clearly confirmed with the case of women (2 women are only worth 1 man in terms of testimony).
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"
You see why I ask for one that says people who follow other religions and are of other nationalities are equal.
All the verses which I gave defends equality and justice for "ALL" human beings . This looks like I say I love animals , and you ask me "rabbits too ?" , and again I say I love all animals , and you ask me "kangaroos ?"
2:190 : "You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors."
2:191 "...kill them whereever you find them , thus is the reward of the kafirin , know that "Fitnah" is worse than being killed , thus is the reward of the "kafirin."
2:192 "And if they cease, then God is Forgiving, Merciful."
2:193 "You may also fight them to eliminate "fitnah" , and to worship GOD freely."
Fitnah : Persecution, oppression .
Kafir : Those who hides the truth , makes hostility against muslims .
4:89 "They hope that you would reject as they rejected, then you would be the same. Do not take any of them as "evliaye" in the cause of God. If they revert to enmity , then take them and kill them where you find them; and do not take from them any "evliyae"."
Evliyae : Ally , supporter ... , not friend , the word friend in arabic is "sadiq".
4:104 Do not falter in the pursuit of the remaining group. If you are feeling pain, then they are also feeling pain as you are; and you seek from God what they do not seek. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
8:12 Your Lord inspired to the angels: "I am with you so keep firm those who acknowledge. I will cast fear into the hearts of "kafirun" ; so strike above the necks , and strike every finger."
8:15 "O you who acknowledge; when you encounter "kafirun" on the battlefield, do not flee from them."
8:39 "You shall fight them to ward off oppression, and to practice your religion devoted to GOD alone. If they refrain from aggression, then GOD is fully Seer of everything they do"
60:8 "God does not forbid you from those who have not fought you because of your system/religion, nor drove you out of your homes, that you deal kindly and equitably with them. For God loves the equitable."
60:9 "But God does forbid you regarding those who fought you because of your system/religion, and drove you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out. You shall not ally with them. Those who ally with them, then such are the transgressors."
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Now , maybe this will help more .
Sorry I have to go out , salaam ...