RE: Satan Disproves Christianity
September 17, 2013 at 5:55 pm
(This post was last modified: September 17, 2013 at 6:04 pm by Zone.)
(September 17, 2013 at 4:48 pm)John V Wrote: Why? I suppose it's either because we were designed such by supernatural beings, or evolved that way.
You can't decide for yourself why you think supernatural beings and powers are important? They are very exciting sure but the Greek gods of Olympus were exciting as well but apparently they never existed and the religion based around them was purely man made and from the imagination. They could all be like this.
Quote:Quite a few of those make me happy.
But all this has to be supplemented with a supernatural powers? The world isn't wondrous enough you? Is a garden without fairies at the bottom it less beautiful?
Quote:It seems to me that god holds off on miracles in general. Read the Bible. There aren't as many miracles as you think, most of them center around Moses and Jesus as you note, and centuries go by without any.
Joshua made the sun stand still, there's a talking donkey in there, there are visitations of various angels, the walls of Jericho, the earth opened and swallowed Korah, Samsons strength based on the length of his hair, Jonah living inside the belly of a whale/giant fish, hands being withered and then restored, natural elements controlled by prayer, people being consumed by holy fire, bears being summoned to kill people, there are raisings from the dead in there, people being miraculously healed of leprosy, Elishas bones restore the dead, people being cured of blindness, an entire army killed by an angel, time/the shadow of the sun is altered, the Ark of the Covenant and Gideons Magic fleece! Could these just be folktales as all cultures throughout the world have?
Quote:Because it doesn't look like everything always existed.
We don't necessarily observe the totality of all that exists. The totality of everything could as natural as we are.
Quote:Personally I don't see a real distinction between supernatural and natural. I suppose that Jesus could explain the mechanics of turning water into wine, for example.
If he were alive today he would certainly win James Randhi's one million dollars. Where have all the supernatural mother fuckers who used to be around thousands of years gone to? There are vastly many more people today than there ever was yet the supernatural power level factor has plummeted and tailed right off there ought to be more of them now than there were back then. No-one can demonstrate even a whiff of genuine supernatural ability. Jesus was even able to teach his disciples these powers so it could be done to some degree even if you weren't the Son of God. Certainly the OT prophets had significant powers as well. I'm not against the idea of the supernatural but I can't see the modern day evidence for it. If it was thousands of years ago they could easily have made it up and no-one would know, they made up Zeus and Thor they made up anything. Are we living an age where supernatural power is at weak ebb in it's cycle or something?
Quote:Er, you say that. Believers think we can know about it because it's been revealed by another intelligent entity.
It's been revealed by supernatural miracles that supposedly happened thousands of years ago but don't ever happen now that's the problem. And how do you know the Quran and the Book of Mormon weren't revealed by an intelligent entity? How do determine which one is what? There's a massive potential to believe in something that is a bit silly here.
This guy believes were being controlled by shape shifting reptilian interdimensional aliens who live on the moon. And why not? It's no worse than religion would claim just a little more fleshed out. Whether he genuinely believes it or he's just making money from it I don't know but this what we're going to be open here. Or take Rupert Sheldrake, he believes the Sun is a conscious being.
And it may as well be why not? We can throw everything of any sense out the window at this point.
Quote:So it would not be seen as miraculous, and there's no reason for god to do such things.
So instead of awesome displays of power we have to make do with William Lane Craig talking shite?
Quote:Again, they wouldn't be considered supernatural.
Then why should the ones in the Bible ago be considered supernatural if they happened? The difference is we would be certain if anything like that happened today but it doesn't happen. So it could be it didn't happen back then either that's a good logical deduction.