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Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down
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RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down
(December 16, 2013 at 1:16 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(December 14, 2013 at 10:20 am)Godschild Wrote: The crosses in military cemeteries are on government property, tax payers money keeps them up and pay for those crosses.

GC

Military cemetaries typically have headstones, not crosses (most of the exceptions date back over a century), and dead non-Christian soldiers aren't marginalized by having a giant cross built over them on military cemetaries (Mt. Soledad was an exception to that rule until recently). The markers are meant to honor each individual soldier, not as an opportunity to paint them all with the same religious brush. There's no issue with a cross on one soldier's grave in a military cemetary if another soldier can have their grave marked as they would have wished in a different way.

Again, this isn't rocket science. There's a difference between putting a cross on a Christian soldier's grave and mounting a 40' cross over a cemetary that includes non-Christian soldiers.

Sorry to disappoint you, but tens of thousands of soldiers have crosses on there graves, Christian and non christian alike. Some have there particular religious symbol on the crosses. In my area there are thousands of crosses on military graves.

(December 14, 2013 at 4:56 pm)Godschild Wrote: I do not support nor like all your secular views but, I have to pay to make them part of this government.
GC

MA Wrote:Sadly for you, until you can muster sufficient votes to amend the first amendment to suit your views instead of the views of the framers, you're stuck with a government that can't favor your religion over all others or over none. You're free to work on changing that.

I have no problem with our constitution, period, it's the greatest document ever written. The problem I have is with 200 years of religious freedom in this country are being torn down by a few who use the constitution to push there agenda. Christians where never pushing an agenda the freedoms we had were a great part of this nation and the people in the past understood this and if they did not believe they accepted the position they were in. Just as if I went to Iran I would know that I need to accept where I am and not push to upset the people of Iran.

(December 14, 2013 at 4:56 pm)Godschild Wrote: I'm glad you see it that way, but I'm afraid not all do and those headstones will come into play by when someone becomes mad over some religious event. I knew about other religious symbols that are put onto the crosses, however many do not take the time to find out things about our fallen defenders.
GC

MA Wrote:Why don't you go find a forum where they want to get rid of the crosses on the graves of soldiers and direct them here instead of arguing against a position that no one here holds? You'd be in the right for a change, and we'd be happy to back you up.

I was not pointing to anyone in particular here, though I would bet a few here would be in favor of removing them, their hate for anything Christian want allow them to be any different, I see things as they are not as others think they are. There will be a day those crosses will be in jeopardy, it's the nature of the beast, and I do mean beast.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by c172 - December 13, 2013 at 11:57 am
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Minimalist - December 13, 2013 at 12:17 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Ksa - December 13, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Ryantology - December 13, 2013 at 12:55 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Minimalist - December 13, 2013 at 12:58 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by ronedee - December 13, 2013 at 1:16 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Angrboda - December 13, 2013 at 1:21 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by ThomM - December 17, 2013 at 4:15 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by ronedee - December 13, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by ronedee - December 13, 2013 at 2:09 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Esquilax - December 13, 2013 at 2:11 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by ronedee - December 13, 2013 at 2:14 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Esquilax - December 13, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by ronedee - December 13, 2013 at 2:19 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Esquilax - December 13, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by ronedee - December 13, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Esquilax - December 13, 2013 at 2:35 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by ronedee - December 13, 2013 at 3:54 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by ronedee - December 13, 2013 at 2:24 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by ronedee - December 13, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by ronedee - December 13, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by ronedee - December 13, 2013 at 4:37 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Godschild - December 13, 2013 at 1:52 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Esquilax - December 13, 2013 at 1:59 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Godschild - December 13, 2013 at 9:44 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Godschild - December 14, 2013 at 10:20 am
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Tiberius - December 14, 2013 at 10:57 am
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by EgoRaptor - December 14, 2013 at 4:02 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Godschild - December 14, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by EgoRaptor - December 14, 2013 at 7:24 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Godschild - December 16, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Angrboda - December 16, 2013 at 10:35 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Angrboda - December 13, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Bob Kelso - December 13, 2013 at 10:25 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Angrboda - December 13, 2013 at 1:59 pm
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RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Cinjin - December 15, 2013 at 10:59 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Minimalist - December 13, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Esquilax - December 13, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Cato - December 13, 2013 at 5:54 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by EgoRaptor - December 13, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by EgoRaptor - December 13, 2013 at 6:27 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by EgoRaptor - December 13, 2013 at 11:33 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Tonus - December 19, 2013 at 4:10 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Esquilax - December 27, 2013 at 11:37 am
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by EgoRaptor - December 13, 2013 at 9:59 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Bob Kelso - December 13, 2013 at 10:27 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Ryantology - December 13, 2013 at 10:53 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Esquilax - December 13, 2013 at 11:03 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Angrboda - December 13, 2013 at 11:48 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Tiberius - December 14, 2013 at 9:09 am
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Angrboda - December 14, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Angrboda - December 14, 2013 at 11:49 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Tiberius - December 14, 2013 at 1:24 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Polaris - December 14, 2013 at 9:56 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by EgoRaptor - December 14, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Ryantology - December 14, 2013 at 10:25 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Bob Kelso - December 14, 2013 at 10:26 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Angrboda - December 14, 2013 at 10:29 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Bob Kelso - December 14, 2013 at 10:34 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Polaris - December 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Bob Kelso - December 14, 2013 at 10:52 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Esquilax - December 15, 2013 at 2:17 am
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Esquilax - December 15, 2013 at 2:28 am
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Angrboda - December 15, 2013 at 7:39 am
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Minimalist - December 22, 2013 at 12:37 am
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Polaris - December 26, 2013 at 8:55 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Polaris - December 15, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Ryantology - December 14, 2013 at 10:40 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Polaris - December 16, 2013 at 9:38 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by rexbeccarox - December 16, 2013 at 10:16 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Polaris - December 16, 2013 at 10:23 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by rexbeccarox - December 16, 2013 at 10:26 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Polaris - December 16, 2013 at 10:29 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by rexbeccarox - December 16, 2013 at 10:37 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Polaris - December 17, 2013 at 10:03 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Polaris - December 19, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Cinjin - December 17, 2013 at 1:48 am
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Esquilax - December 17, 2013 at 5:25 am
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Duck - December 17, 2013 at 4:45 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Duck - December 17, 2013 at 4:52 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Ryantology - December 17, 2013 at 10:34 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by EgoRaptor - December 18, 2013 at 7:14 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Polaris - December 21, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by c172 - December 8, 2014 at 5:11 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Foxaèr - December 8, 2014 at 10:44 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Chas - December 12, 2014 at 12:12 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Foxaèr - December 16, 2014 at 3:02 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Joods - March 20, 2016 at 12:52 am
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Joods - March 22, 2016 at 4:08 am
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by IATIA - March 17, 2016 at 1:05 am
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Joods - March 24, 2016 at 2:40 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Joods - March 25, 2016 at 3:13 am
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by IATIA - July 21, 2015 at 10:02 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by IATIA - March 15, 2016 at 8:30 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by IATIA - March 15, 2016 at 8:47 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by c172 - March 17, 2016 at 8:36 am
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Joods - March 17, 2016 at 3:40 pm
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Joods - March 19, 2016 at 7:08 am
RE: Mt. Soledad cross ordered to be taken down - by Joods - March 22, 2016 at 4:38 pm

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