(March 10, 2014 at 8:04 am)Zen Badger Wrote:(March 9, 2014 at 5:33 pm)discipulus Wrote: As I stated, if you have to be a historical skeptic to maintain your views, views which no contemporary historian would defend publicly for fear of losing his credibility, then it is time for you to either change your views or confess that you really do not care.
As it stands you have to maintain that every historian who states Jesus existed and was crucified under Pontius Pilate is somehow wrong and you are somehow right, you, a man posting on an atheist website with zero credentials.
I will trust them, and leave you to your futile efforts of denial....
Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and most biblical scholars and classical historians see the theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.
In antiquity, the existence of Jesus was never denied by those who opposed Christianity.
Robert E. Van Voorst states that the idea of the non-historicity of the existence of Jesus has always been controversial, and has consistently failed to convince virtually all scholars of many disciplines.
Geoffrey Blainey notes that a few scholars have argued that Jesus did not exist, but writes that Jesus' life was in fact "astonishingly documented" by the standards of the time – more so than any of his contemporaries – with numerous books, stories and memoirs written about him.
The problem for the historian, wrote Blainey, is not therefore, determining whether Jesus actually existed, but rather in considering the "sheer multitude of detail and its inconsistencies and contradictions".
Although a very small number of modern scholars argue that Jesus never existed, that view is a distinct minority and virtually all scholars consider theories that Jesus' existence was a Christian invention as implausible.
Christopher Tuckett states that the existence of Jesus and his crucifixion by Pontius Pilate seem to be part of the bedrock of historical tradition, based on the availability of non-Christian evidence.
Graham Stanton states that "Today nearly all historians, whether Christians or not, accept that Jesus existed".
The sources for the historicity of Jesus are mainly Christian sources, but there are some mentions also in a few non-Christian Jewish and Greco-Roman sources, which have been used in historical analyses of the existence of Jesus. These include the works of 1st-century Roman historians Josephus and Tacitus. Josephus scholar Louis H. Feldman has stated that "few have doubted the genuineness" of Josephus' reference to Jesus in Antiquities 20, 9, 1 and it is only disputed by a small number of scholars.
Bart D. Ehrman states that the existence of Jesus and his crucifixion by the Romans is attested to by a wide range of sources, including Josephus and Tacitus.
-Wikipedia
Anything else?
Maybe there was a historical Jesus, but without the resurrection and the miracles he was just a man and your religion is just a lie.
So well said!!
