Open debate: What does Jesus teach?

[Aractus]

Hi Arc,
I want to answer some of your writing.
When Jesus said to the Jews to keep the laws, the New Testament had not begun, therefore, that was the correct teaching.
The New Covenant began when Jesus became the sacrifice- which replaced the sacrifice of animals that could only cover sin- not redeem the ones for whom it was made.
Paul declared he received revelation directly from Jesus, that NO man had taught him.

1. I think you mean the NT had not yet been written, 2. as I surely mentioned prior - a sacrifice could only be made for "accidental" sin and not deliberate sin, show me otherwise? 3. Almost certainly 1 Corinthians 15 contains a pre-Pauline Christian creed. As a Xian you should agree with this, it's textbook theology as accepted by most modern scholars. That means that pre-Paul Xians had taught him it, not Jesus.

Paul wrote all those letters to the churches in the NT to instruct them on what was revealed to him from God.
In one place, Paul stated, about something he wrote, that what he is saying is from himself- clarifying a separate instruction. Making note it was from him rather than from the Holy Spirit.
It is apparent that Paul was chosen to replace the son of perdition- Judas.

I believe it was Paul who came against Peter for falling into the idea that the Law can justify them.

ALL of the religions of the world system are Works Systems wherein the adherents believe they can raise themselves up by their boot straps.

I believe I can teach you much more about the "religions of the world" at the time of Jesus than you can?

When Jerusalem was surrounded by armies, the Christians remembered the words of Jesus and fled.
The OT clingers didn't and were killed by the Romans.

Rubbish. In 70 AD Jerusalem was once-again taken by siege. Let me put it to you this way: in 70 AD the Xians in Jerusalem perished alongside the Jews.

---

So, Paul's word trumps Jesus' word? How bloody convenient for Paul, since Jesus wasn't around for people to ask.

Boru

No not at all since he wasn't the only non-gospel NT writer. Need I remind you that by volume Luke-Acts trumps Paul? You may as well claim it's all Luke's invention.... now go away and start your OWN THREAD on that topic.

---

Hate to burst your little bubble...

As usual I don't care for your opinion. By the same stroke you shoud doubt early dates of Paul.

---

What really blows my mind is that atheists think that Jesus and His words were a made-up fairy tail.

I never said it, nor do I believe it. Bitch.

---

Since Jesus is imaginary you can make up whatever facts you want to.

Troll somewhere else.

---

Myths do not do anything in reality

As per my word in the OP I'l telling you - I won't and don't tolerate bullshit - while I would accept that some events are myths I certainly do not accept that all are. And this thread is about contributing to the _teachings of jesus_ not to the perpetuation of jesus-myth theories either start your own thread, if you have substance, or shut up!

---

---

Don't troll my thread with "Jesus never existed" nonsense, start your own thread. Paul wasn't the first to start writing, the earliest epistle in the NT is almost certainly James which is probably written before the Jerusalem Council (AD 50). The first epistle written by Paul is 1 Thessalonians written shortly after the Jerusalem Council c. 51 AD. As you know it's very difficult to date the Gospels, except for Luke-Acts which dates to around 61 AD. This puts the Gospel of Mark at least slightly behind Luke, any date from about 45 AD to 60 AD is possible. Paul's last accepted epistle is Romans written around 55-58 AD. If we accept 1 and 2 Timothy as written by Paul then they date to 62-67 AD, slightly before Paul is martyred. But let's say Roman's is his final epistle, right, so then we have Mark, probably "Q" and James all written around the same time or before. We also have the gospel of John - and my argument would be that it was also written around the same time. In fact, scholars 40 years ago thought John was the last gospel to have been written around 90-100 AD but since that time all the new information and hard evidence (like the dead sea scrolls, Papyrus P52, and more) all suggest an early date for the gospel. At best we can say we don't know if it was written after the epistles of Paul. And if it was, there's only a small window of time when it could have been and that window is not 90-100 AD as it once appeared to be.

Since Jesus is imaginary you can make up whatever facts you want to.

According to this link Paul wrote Galatians in 49. And if you read what he wrote about how he got involved you will see that he was in it just after Jesus supposedly died, around the year 32.

James didn't do squat to spread the message about Jesus. If it hadn't been for Paul we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

And it's not trolling if someone is pointing out that the OP is spewing BS about a subject.

Was Jesus God?

---

Ok I'm going to say this once. I'm an atheist. There is no link in your reply. Goodbye, go away, start: your own f*ing thread!!