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Open debate: What does Jesus teach?
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach?
(July 31, 2014 at 1:23 pm)Aractus Wrote: You've given me a theological answer which you didn't (or couldn't) back up with references. Jesus never once says not to follow a law of Moses and giving wild interpretations of "until all is accomplished" and "I have come to fulfill the Law" doesn't alter this. When Jesus is seen healing on the Sabbath he doesn't say that the Sabbath doesn't apply anymore instead he quotes a passage where David eats holy bread that is "unlawful" for him to eat, ordinarily, citing that he was in a "time of need". It wasn't until 50 AD when the early Christians decided to change the requirements to follow the law that this message was altered.

See the following excerpt from the fuller explanation from a site that was expounding on the versus in question. http://www.gci.org/bible/matthew517

"Everything is accomplished"
Jesus said that until heaven and earth ceased to exist, nothing would disappear from the law "until everything is accomplished" (5:18). But heaven and earth will pass away, and by contrast, Jesus’ own words will remain forever (Matthew 24:35). They have a greater validity than the Law because Jesus is greater than Moses.

The meaning of "until everything is accomplished" has several possibilities. It is suggested by the Tyndale New Testament Commentary that the translation: "Until what it [the Law] looks forward to arrives" gives the best sense of this phrase. This links the thought with the idea of "fulfillment" in verse 17. This also seems to be the thrust of Paul’s comments regarding the relationship of the Law and Jesus’ earthly ministry (Galatians 3:19, 23-25).

The Tyndale New Testament Commentary expresses the interpretation of "accomplished" in these words:

"The law remains valid until it reaches its intended culmination; this it is now doing in the ministry and teaching of Jesus. This verse does not state, therefore, as it is sometimes interpreted, that every regulation in the Old Testament law remains binding after the coming of Jesus. The law is unalterable, but that does not justify its application beyond the purpose for which it was intended" (page 115).

The Tyndale commentary also makes the same point in these words:

"This passage does not therefore state that every Old Testament regulation is eternally valid. This view is not found anywhere in the New Testament, which consistently sees Jesus as introducing a new situation, for which the law prepared (Galatians 3:24), but which now transcends it. The focus is now on Jesus and his teaching, and in this light the validity of Old Testament rules must now be examined. Some will be found to have fulfilled their role, and be no longer applicable...others will be reinterpreted" (page 117).

This explanation must be the correct one, or else the early Christian church and the apostles violated Matthew 5:17-19 by telling gentile Christians that circumcision and keeping the Law of Moses was not necessary. The book of Galatians would also have been in error on this point. And the book of Hebrews would have been in extraordinary violation of Jesus’ words, too, since it states that the entire sacrificial system, the temple worship and Levitical priesthood had been annulled.

However, these books are in agreement with the principle mentioned above. They explain that some old covenant religious regulations have fulfilled their role and others need reinterpretation. This is the situation that holds with the ceremonial weekly Sabbath "holy time" regulation. It fulfilled its role in old covenant times and can be interpreted spiritually for Christians as the spiritual Sabbath rest we now have in Christ.
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Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 19, 2014 at 2:47 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 19, 2014 at 4:11 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Minimalist - July 19, 2014 at 1:36 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 26, 2014 at 5:20 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 27, 2014 at 2:11 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by vorlon13 - July 19, 2014 at 9:33 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by professor - July 19, 2014 at 12:24 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Ryantology - July 20, 2014 at 6:42 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by ThomM - July 20, 2014 at 11:56 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Mudhammam - July 21, 2014 at 6:15 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 21, 2014 at 8:31 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by vorlon13 - July 19, 2014 at 12:55 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by professor - July 19, 2014 at 1:02 pm
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RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by ronedee - July 19, 2014 at 11:13 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Tonus - July 21, 2014 at 6:26 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Mudhammam - July 20, 2014 at 12:16 am
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RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by ThomM - July 20, 2014 at 2:43 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Mudhammam - July 20, 2014 at 4:42 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Mudhammam - July 20, 2014 at 5:39 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by LastPoet - July 20, 2014 at 4:58 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by vorlon13 - July 20, 2014 at 5:20 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Mudhammam - July 20, 2014 at 11:40 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by vodkafan - July 22, 2014 at 9:27 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 23, 2014 at 8:07 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by John V - July 23, 2014 at 11:02 am
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RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 24, 2014 at 12:17 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Minimalist - July 24, 2014 at 12:55 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 24, 2014 at 12:59 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Minimalist - July 26, 2014 at 4:50 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Purplundy - July 27, 2014 at 4:01 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Tonus - July 28, 2014 at 8:54 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 27, 2014 at 6:35 am
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RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 27, 2014 at 7:31 am
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RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 28, 2014 at 10:21 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 31, 2014 at 3:52 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 31, 2014 at 10:07 am
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RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Minimalist - July 27, 2014 at 10:03 pm
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RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Purplundy - July 28, 2014 at 1:16 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 29, 2014 at 6:55 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Purplundy - July 29, 2014 at 4:40 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Minimalist - July 27, 2014 at 11:49 pm
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RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Drich - July 28, 2014 at 12:05 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Minimalist - July 28, 2014 at 2:35 am
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RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by SteveII - July 29, 2014 at 11:49 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 30, 2014 at 4:34 am
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RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by SteveII - July 29, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Tonus - July 29, 2014 at 1:24 pm
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RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Minimalist - July 29, 2014 at 3:00 pm
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RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Ryantology - July 30, 2014 at 1:57 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Minimalist - July 29, 2014 at 3:01 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by SteveII - July 29, 2014 at 3:35 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Tonus - July 29, 2014 at 3:38 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Minimalist - July 31, 2014 at 2:03 pm
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RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Purplundy - July 30, 2014 at 6:09 am
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RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by SteveII - July 31, 2014 at 9:49 am
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - July 31, 2014 at 1:23 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by SteveII - August 3, 2014 at 12:24 pm
RE: Open debate: What does Jesus teach? - by Aractus - August 4, 2014 at 12:29 am
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