(July 20, 2014 at 7:13 am)vodkafan Wrote:(July 20, 2014 at 6:29 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: As a side note, I've always found caste systems (particularly the Hindu one) to be one of the most cynical and cruel methods of using religion to keep people in their place. Fucking Hindus.
Boru
This is a much wider subject than it appears on the surface. It is not just religion but culture. Also you are supposing that a love match is a far superior way of choosing a marriage partner than having a marriage arranged. In fact, it is not, as our divorce figures show. It is also only comparatively recent. 100 years ago even in the west people got married according to parents' wishes or for economic reasons.
I am white English, was married to an Indian woman for 20 years, and all our kids are half Indian. Ours was a love marriage. But I have came across lots of Indian couples in arranged marriages and they are doing just fine.
You have to look at it across history to get the big picture. It might look a bit harsh, but
the hindu system has worked pretty well for a couple of thousand years. Although they are supposed to marry within a caste, the couple are chosen from locations far apart which is an effective way of avoiding interbreeding and incest, which hindus are really careful about.
Unlike Pakistani muslims, who are often forced to marry first cousins, who are considered the same as brother and sister to hindus.
You couldn't be further from what I was talking about. You quoted my comment - which was an indictment of the caste system as a whole - and then referenced love marriages vs. arranged marriage, which isn't what I was driving at.
I'm not the least bit interested (for the purposes of this thread, at least) as to whether an arranged marriage works. My comments were about the problems faced by inter-caste couples in Hindu societies.
So, the caste system worked. So what? Slavery works, but most countries have abolished it. If the caste system is so bloody good, why does India have so many laws against it? I'll tell you why - it is inherently unfair and cruel. In essence, it tells the people on the bottom, 'Don't try to better yourself. Just keep quiet, carry on shoveling out cesspits, and you'll be better off in the next life.' How the FUCK is that any different from mind-fuck practiced by the Abrahamic religions: 'Do as you're told and you'll be rewarded in the hereafter'?
Boru
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