RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 2, 2014 at 2:08 pm
(This post was last modified: November 2, 2014 at 2:15 pm by Esquilax.)
(November 2, 2014 at 1:16 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: Lets take away all of the fluff and feathers for a minute. Let's take away all of the technical babble, all of the rhetoric for just a second.
I'd love it if you christians dropped all the rhetoric, but unfortunately I've read the rest of the thread and I can see that what you really want is for everyone else to stop having their own positions so you can dictate them to us, for us.
Quote:I can't speak for every religion, but I am a Christian theist. Now what does that imply? Well, that would mean that I believe Jesus Christ died on the cross for the sins of mankind, and that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
And you believe all of that with no evidence whatsoever. Must be fun, just getting to groove with the fantasy like that.
Quote:That is basically my belief in a nut shell. Now, if you are an atheist, you may find my beliefs laughable, sickening, stupid, etc....which is fine, Christianity isn't for everyone because after all, Jesus said "But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it." (Matt 7:14).
How do you know Jesus said that?
Quote:But as an atheist, here is what you have to believe...you have to believe that billions of years ago before humanity, dead matter was floating around in space...and for whatever reason, suddenly, this dead matter "came to life". Not only did it come to life, but it came to life and began thinking, talking, and having sex.
Oh nooooooooooooo... hock:
Well, as a christian, you have to believe that a cosmic armadillo pooped the universe into existence, and all the galaxies are little chunks of undigested corn, upon which we all live.
See how that is? See how utterly rude, inane and aggressive it is to presume to dictate what other people think to them? Are we going to get anywhere, if we just imperiously command other people to think in a way that's most convenient for our strawman arguments? Quit with the crap and just ask us what we believe. We'll literally just tell you, and then you can proceed from there rather than the dishonest place you're trying to come from.
Now, so far you haven't come across a single atheist that actually believes what you said, so if you persist with that idea, you will be lying. For starters, absolutely nobody- besides, oh, say, christians - believe that the universe was created instantaneously and over a short period of time in its current state. The current scientific model grants us several billion years for the universe to develop, for stars and planets and, yes, life to form, and this model has a vast array of evidence to demonstrate this. Even the formation of life from non-life has support, in the form of the Miller-Yurey experiments and others; it's not perfectly comprehensive, but it does demonstrate that in conditions other than current earth ones the components that make life do form naturally over time.
Rather than your strawman, this is a more typical atheist belief; the kind that is supported by hard scientific data. Please, try responding to this rather than your boring, childish argument.
Quote:Just think about that for a second. This non-living material suddenly CAME TO LIFE. For the life of me, I just can't get myself to believe that, even if I tried. I just don't understand how naturalism/atheism is a more reasonable position than theism.
Well, it's because that's not the atheist position. Oh, and atheism isn't naturalism either, so yay for another misconception there. Pity you didn't do the honest thing and just ask us. You know, there are plenty of atheists who believe in all sorts of supernatural things. Just not gods.
Oh, and incidentally? Your apparent "rebuttal" to what you just said is an argument from personal incredulity so... congratulations, you couldn't even respond to your own strawman without including a logical fallacy.
Quote:You have to believe that a process that can't think or see, created consciousness. So consciousness came from a process that can't think??
Conciousness arose slowly, across many successive generations, from simpler combinations of sensory apparatuses and cognitive faculties. The ability to react to more complex stimuli is an evolutionary advantage, allowing the organs that encourage that faculty to develop and grow as new species arose.
Quote:I just don't have enough faith to be an atheist.
And we end with, what? A creationist quote? Quite the intellectual company you keep.
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