(November 24, 2014 at 11:24 pm)whateverist Wrote:(November 24, 2014 at 11:03 pm)Godschild Wrote: When sin was brought in the creation, it corrupted the entire creation. What makes you think you have the right to judge your creator?
That raises some questions in my mind.
#1 Are you sure leaving the garden wasn't part of God's plan?
The plan was the perfect creation, for the creation to be perfect free will had to be a part of it. Lucifer started the fall and corruption by the abuse of his free will, Adam and Eve abused their free will and chose to disobey God completing the corruption of the perfect plan.
Quote:#2 If so, why do you think God was incapable of making it work out the way he wished, and, does that make you wonder what other intentions God has been unable to actualize?
God gave free will to make His creation perfect, without it the creation would be no more than a static model with God moving man around like simple chess pieces. Is that what you would want, being a pawn, shuffled around with no rights.
Quote:#3 If not (i.e., if you agree that leaving the garden was God's plan all along), what does sin have to do with it?
It wasn't part of the original plan, it couldn't have been, that would mean God desired sin to come into the world. Just why would God bring trouble upon Himself and why would He bring something in existence that He could be no part of. Scriptures state that God would not be in the presence of sin.
Quote:#4 For that matter, if man's nature is sinful and God is man's creator, who is really responsible for sin?
Man's nature wasn't original sinful, that only happened after man's disobedience. Man is responsible for his sinful nature. I wish you all would either remember what has been shown to you in the past or go study scripture, you can't argue nor judge that which you have no idea of.
Quote:#5 If we don't have the right, whose responsibility is it to inform us? Yours? If God doesn't like it, He can let me know directly. Better yet, He can kiss my ass.
God chose to work through man, it's man's responsibility to inform and man's responsibility to listen to those God's working through. Why just why did you have to end your questioning with such a response, was it to irritate me?
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.